12 second integ

[SL2much_rice]

Question of the month...
<b><font size=6 face=verdana>EXACTLY</font></b> what mods are necessary to make a Type R Integ run approx. 12.755???

[Ren-Tech]

u know, thats a good point "god" (thats just funny sorry), i never thought about hiding nos under their for any ride, i just dont know too much about nos. anywayz say wassup to jesus 4 me, lol, peace

[ScHeL]

simply ask Gil... he will let u know what bolt ons are on it and a number of people have seen inside of the bay... but that doesnt count what engine work... but a few things are heard and not seen... NON? but think about it and note it only ways 2400 mrs svp said... so there u go... but it has a cai, header, ignition, (throttlebody), (pulleys), cam gears, (cams), (port & polish), full race clutch from clutchmasters (per DNR in the ws6 thread) (stage 5 i think perhaps 4), (valve job), (injectors, fuel rail), 2rd stage weight reduction (still has glass not lexan last i saw it), computer upgrade (DNR IS good with this himself i have heard), unhooked exhaust, etc... happy now? basically if you do the math and listen you will learn... all of the parts in brackets is (conjecture), the rest i know for sure... it either was that way or still is... they may have changed things...

I will admit that i dont know all there is to know about cars nor do i even know that much... I know what most of what i mentioned does to a cars performance and this board has taught me alot as well... but pay attn listen and open ur eyes and you will learn as i have...

It is a nice integra however... too bad he still wasnt in the 13.7 range i would have loved to see him run joeygst or a friend of mines prelude i was helping with a lil bit... but who knows what the future will hold... consistant 12.7 is great job dave...

ScHeL

[SL2much_rice]

Schell, right??um yeah, don't you drive a purple prelude?? the one that lost to a SATURN in livermore one night?? well considering you lost to a Saturn, I believe your statement goes right out the window!! and while I'm on the subject.....

Everything in your ()'s are about what 13.6 second ITR should run and I belive that, but dropping almost a second with more that what you posted is unfathomable. What is left to do without running something else??? Another thing why would someone upgrade a Type R cam when there already of the ball sack?? Set me straight!?!?! I would love it!!!!


[Edited by SL2much_rice on 01-11-2001 at 12:20 AM]

[DnRprojectSvP]

we did it w/ no nos!

it's not that hard, if you know what your doing.

[Solidus]

You could develop a bit mor power from aB18c5 if you used Civic type R cams. A little more aggressive profile. Get it?Got it? Good.

[newbie]

thanks for the tip Solidus.

[DnRprojectSvP]

schel, it was a ACT 6-puck heavy duty clutch, not clutchmasters. the head was not ported nor polished, just touched up in some areas. also its running stock throttle body, no valve job, stock pulleys & stock injectors. u were right bout the glass windows, ignition, and bout the ecu tuning.

God, sorry theres no solenoids under the battery tray. it is hidden inside the charcol dump tank. the direct port is drilled under the intake manifold w/ stainless steel lines so it wont snap from engine torque. the foggers are jetted for 100 shots of nitrous, but was doubled to run 3 back to back to back 12.7s @ 107mph. by next sac, the nitrous will be almost tripled w/ dual direct ports & an extra single fogger (3 stage NOS) oh shit, ill need to find extra space to hide the extra solenoids (6 in all). unless i add a battery and a tray so itll be hidin real well. thanks for the tip "GOD".

oh yea, i forgot to mention the turbo that is hooked up to the stock exhaust manifold. the intake is not a AEM CAI, its turbo piping disguised in one. its a DRAG gen 4 turbo kit w/ custom turbo manifold made from an itr header.
12 Sec. Club, ALL MOTOR!!!
thought u knew!!!

[Ren-Tech]

well i must be bored but i did some thinkin and math while at skool and it is possible to have those times consistant. but as far as dropping off a whole second in i dont know how much time with just a motor is, a bit off but u can do whatevver u want if u got brains and money. i'm not hating but i dont care about this itr, its cool what u guys did to it props to ya but hell, i'm in chicago and that thing is in cali so whatever. last time i ran my ride i got around 12.5 to 12.7 and not too many other "imports" do that in my part of town. dont get me wrong there are some fast motherfuckers out there but outnumbered by those damn ricers. well i blabbered away enuff, peace

[97GS-wide-T]

so if you have nitrous and a turbo how is that all motor, sounds like two power adders to me. no flame just statein again what you already said, i know NIRA wouldn't call that all motor.

[blkls94svp]

it is all hidden noboddy has seen this stuff , not even the owner. it came stock on the car from the factory....but they didnt hide the nos lines good enough, seeing how you can totally tell that the radiator hoses are a dead give away for hiding nos lines inside...you guys are fucken haters, and extremely jelous...keep trying guys maybe your cars will hit 17's one day with a little tuning,,, and i dont want to here shit when you try to say you hit those times all motor and people accuse you of squeezin...later hater

[Blown97SVT]

Blkls94SVP- Actually, I turned 11.4's on street tires @ 124mph....Go figure....Maybe SOMEDAY I'll hit 17's though...I think I'll make that my goal... I want my mustang to be as slow as an import so I'm going to put stuff on it that'll make it 3 seconds slower than stock. Smaller Tbody, tiny headers, 1.73 gears...LOL You get my point. Not everyone is hating. They just think it seems fishy.. But take it for what it's worth. Take it as a compliment....

By the way, you said you'd run anybody...I emailed you about runs and you never emailed back. What's up with that?

[SL2much_rice]

Why do people always bring <b>their</b> cars into everything?? All I wanted to know was <font size=4>how</font>, not wether some guy is <b>hiding NOS</b> or not. Get over yourselves!!! And everyone else, so what if he is NOS'n, its the cheapest way to blow your motor, and if he's not then he has more funding than I do!!!

<font size=4 face=sans><b>Now I ask you...</font></b>
from what I got, you can hit 12.755's with just bolt-on's, and a little more...12 without headwork??? wouldnt a 5 angle valve job help a little???

[NismoRyder]

hey DNR or Gil...would u mind posting ur email address or emailing me ( genejo@mail.com )? My buddy just got a new ITR n i wanna help him fix it up...i'd like to ask a few q's bout itr's n such...thanks...

[LT WHAT?]

hey DNR? what did you do to drop it a second? just curious.


LT WHAT? 10's all motor forgot i knew or something like that lol.

[blkls94svp]

what car you building a viper...no import with a H or A emblems are hittin 12's with bolt ons...sorry bro.anyhow god , you didnt say you were talking about us but you incenuated it...probably to see what our reaction would be...cuz if you where runnin nos why would you hide the lines...hmmmmm maybe to clame your something you not...well unffortunatly for you we are exactly what we claim to be with this all motor integra....please give up the bowlshit about i think it is squeezen....

[blkls94svp]

people are gonna talk about thier cars or thier friends cars because those are whose cars they know best...i couldnt tell you how to make you car fast using LTwhats car as an example becausei dont know anything about his car.

[LT WHAT?]

Originally posted by blkls94svp
people are gonna talk about thier cars or thier friends cars because those are whose cars they know best...i couldnt tell you how to make you car fast using LTwhats car as an example becausei dont know anything about his car.

get as much air and gas into the cylinder as possible, and keep the air fuel ratio at optimum, have it all burn off. thats the internal combustion engine for ya, same on all cars.

[Jaggorri]

There are a few things you guys are overlooking here in trying to figure out his mods. Here are a few you might not have thought about:

Aluminum Flywheel- enables the car to rev MUCH faster by reducing roatating mass. I've seen four cylinders cars drop upwards of .3 tenths with one of these and a strong clutch (read: ACT)

Cam timing- I don't know if Gil has cam gears or not, but that is irrelivant. Cams can be degreed using the stock cam gears if you know what you are doing. Being that Gil's car was tuned by Skunk2, I have a feeling it was done right.

Extensive tuning- Putting a car on a dyno (such as Skunk2's) with a very knowledgeable tech on hand can do wonders. For example, Scott Mohler's All Motor Neon ACR went from 170hp to 187hp at the wheels simply through very fine and extensive tuning. He then turned around and ran a 12.8 on the track 3 times in a row, and this was without headwork. Qualified techs can pull some amzing shit given time. Tuning the fuel curve is just part of it.

Cams- Just because you have cams doesn't mean you HAVE to have headwork. Cams will work BETTER with head work, but it isn't ALWAYS required.

Intake Manifold- Yeah, it may be stock, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been port matched to the head with each runner being flowmatched.

Raised Compression- JDM pistons push the ITR's comp ratio from 10.4:1 to 11:1 (I think I'm a bit off on the second number, but I know it's in the 11's). Combine that with milling the head OR the block and you have just shot the compression up, which gives more power. Hell, the damn thing could be running a 2.0L stroker kit with high comp pistons for all you know.

Suspension- Yes guys, contrary to popular belief, you do need suspension to drag race. I remember SVPChic mentioning that one of the Skunk2 techs recommended getting better suspension on the ITR. The right suspension setup can shave a few tenths off here and there.

These are just a few things that could have been done guys. There are a ton more that I didn't cover, but this gives you and idea of what has been overloooked.

[Jaggorri]

Originally posted by SL2much_rice
Schell, right??um yeah, don't you drive a purple prelude?? the one that lost to a SATURN in livermore one night?? well considering you lost to a Saturn, I believe your statement goes right out the window!!

And how does this make Schel's valid points go out the window? If you wanna play that game, I clearly remeber kicking the shit out of you at Marina a few months ago in Autocross. It must suck getting DQ'd on every run because you didn't know where the course was. Perhaps you should have paid better attention on the walk-through brainiac.

Next time try thinking before speaking. You'll find it does wonders.

[ghoust]

hey Byron, nice quote from End of Days?? I just saw that movie last nite.

[SL2much_rice]

I honestly am not sure about this, but just curious...

It you took a Honda <b>S2000</b>, and attached a few Bolt-On's(including slicks) do you think you could push 12's???

Oh wait, that car has a <font size=8>H</font> on the hood, so then you couldn't!!!

[ghoust]

hey SL2much....not many cars can do 12s with just bolt ons man. not just Honda cars..but most cars in general cant do 12s with just boltons.

[SL2much_rice]

Lighthouse, that is what I was getting at, but I was curious. But a handfull of V8's can hit 12's w/bolt-ons, and weight reduction.

Byron...WOW, jeeze I didnt mean to get your panties in a bunch, but I hate to burst your bubble, because I have DNF'd <b>(not DQ'd)</b> once in 3 autoX runs(not that bad?). My buddy whom I believe you are reffering to, DNF'd 3 out of 4 times...ring a bell?? And yes you did "Kick the shit out of me", because I drive a <b>Saturn</b>. you know what <b>Saturn</b> stands for??? <b>S</b>ad <b>A</b>ss <b>T</b>orn <b>U</b>p <b>R</b>ebuilt <b>N</b>eon!!!! Have I told you, that you are my hero, because your car is faster than a <b>Saturn</b>, big accomplishment!!

[k.]

okie everyone..its getting annoying..shut up. it runs 12.7 give dnr the respect he deserves for it. pz.

~k.

[tom3]

it's definetly possible, especially since everything was gutted in the car; I think Gil told me it weights like 2200 pound or so, so every improvement on the motor will pay big time.

I've a friend of mine in Canada that built a cart with a small 4cyl engine and a transmission; That thing was flying like crazy, putting all our cars to shame because it had a really low weight

[DnRprojectSvP]

first off, since CMI final showdown there has been changes to both the ITR and DNR. Well now, my religion is Islamic-Jihaad, which requires me to fast. My mentor, JaaaYHoooo, once told me "to be fast, you must fast!" when i weighed myself the nite b4 Winter Warm-up, I had lost 85 lbs. I now only weigh 42 lbs.

I also trained in the off season. I mainly skiied uphill to work on my shifting and pedaling skills. I put a JDM ITR shiftknob on each of my poles. I stayed w/ my mentor who coincedently took care of a Drag strip. So i practiced my reaction. After every run, i had to turn around and shut the car off. i was told to pull the car back to the staging lanes w/ a rope around my neck.

Gils ITR dropped a second because @ Winter Warm-up, we ran drag slicks, instead of bald drag radials (Nitto 555R) . Also all the training and hard work paid off. thank you my God, Allah, for giving me my talent and all my shifting skills.

Ah-ka-Lamalakea my brotha!!!

p.s. im holding weekly sessions of my "Race & Drive like DNR" workshop, if anyone is interested, please fax me.



[QUOTE]Originally posted by Blown97SVT
[B]Blkls94SVP- Actually, I turned 11.4's on street tires @ 124mph....Go figure....Maybe SOMEDAY I'll hit 17's though...I think I'll make that my goal... I want my mustang to be as slow as an import so I'm going to put stuff on it that'll make it 3 seconds slower than stock. Smaller Tbody, tiny headers, 1.73 gears...LOL You get my point. Not everyone is hating. They just think it seems fishy.. But take it for what it's worth. Take it as a compliment....[i][QUOTE]

Blown: I know 1 thing you can put in your car that will make it 3 sec. slower (or even more) ..........Your MaMa!!!

Just my 2 cents, im not tryin to start a flame. just givin my opinion, isnt that OK?

[tom3]

I think it's the winter air in the slicks; lots of people keep summer air too long :)

[noslow5oh]

This has nothing to do with this thread, but i always read how most of the fast (13's and quicker) imports are running with gutted out imports. I guess that's ok in a track-mostly secondary car, but why do that to your primary car? My '93 is my pride and joy but i would never think of touching the interior to lighten it up. Hell, i yanked the cloth seats to put in black leather seats and I really don't want to put a cage in...but i kinda need one to run at the track and because i do feel like i need one (plus it'll stiffen the chassis) But anyway, why would you want to gut the inteior of a car i know you all consider your prode and joy? I would have been embarrassed to show up to my girl's house to pick her up when we first started without leather and A/C and a decent stereo. I'm probably mid-11's right now (won't know for sure til April) and that's fast enough for me. I'll sacfice the ET for a bit of plushness.

But like I say, your car, your style, do what you want

[RS/377]

I have no problem believing a typ-r ran a 12.7 all motor, just as I believe it isn't really that hard to run a 9 with a old nova.
I will say that if the ITR has nos, no one should be bad mouthing it at all. Really, that car has been subject to many underhood inspections plus track inspections. Seriously, if I could hide nos that well, I would take a crack at hiding my NOS, turbo and AWD, if I only got away with hiding two of the three I would be stoked

[blkls94svp]

s2000 is not hittin 12s with bolt ons sorry it is not gonna drop 2 sec of its time with a airfilter and exhaust...nope not happening.......if you stop reading magazines and start doing the tuning first hand you'll see that those guys are full of shit and are paid by the product company to say "if you buy a aem intake it will drop you e.t.'s by 2 sec" i mean come on i now you cruise a saturn but your startin to sound like a ricer....yah if you put a 6" tip on your exhaust that'll drop another .5sec

[tom3]

it's the same as people adding horsepower together: that part = 10, that one = 20, so both together = 30 :)

[newbie]

I thought about all u mentioned when this story was posted. Like what god said i think the big player in this is the compression

[NemesisKwky]

Originally posted by 97GS-wide-T
so if you have nitrous and a turbo how is that all motor, sounds like two power adders to me. no flame just statein again what you already said, i know NIRA wouldn't call that all motor.

But I had to say something......This guy is a complete IDIOT!!!!!! You are an idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiotidiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiotidiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiotidiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiotidiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiotidiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiotidiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiotidiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiotidiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiotidiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiotidiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot damn I can't believe there are people that stupid out there driving cars........oh yeah IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!

[SL2much_rice]

Thank you kwkslvr, I didnt want make the little one cry!

First of all, Fuck sport compact, and all other 'import mags', the only mag's you'll see me reading is a Hot Rod mag, stuff you dont see everyday, like 9 second Nova's!!!!

Next, I was <b>asking</b> if it was possible, <b>not</b> stating (open your eyes), lets think though...

a 240 horse car, with a professional driver, slicks on Volks, Intake, Exhaust, Throttle Body, Cam Gears...12's??? I believe that is an equasion for a rocket with a H on the hood, but the key word is "believe".

And you guys kill me, always bringing People into this, I merely wanted to know if it was possible, I really could give a rat's ass who is nos'n and who isnt, everyone has their own views on everything(for god's sake, Bush got elected...somehow)

Lastly, I have one sister, and the only people whom call me "Bro" Have Lunatic Fringe stickers on their P.O.S.'s!!!

[Ren-Tech]

i wouldnt want bush or gore to be president but thats beside the point, theres always arguements on how imports hit 12's blah,blah,blah. its just getting old. hell the guy says he did it and ppl saw it then fine who cares, its their car they did work and are pleased with it. 12.7 (right?) out of a 4 is damn good with no fi or anything so props to them. too make things short, some people just need to chill out, relax and drink a big glass of "shut tha fuck up", peace

[xlerate]

Originally posted by k.
okie everyone..its getting annoying..shut up. it runs 12.7 give dnr the respect he deserves for it. pz.

~k.

im with karla on this one

[ScHeL]

Originally posted by SL2much_rice
<B>Schell, right??</B><BR>
Wrong it is ScHeL.<BR>
<B>Um yeah, don't you drive a purple prelude??</B><BR>
Wrong it is stock honda color B-41P Blue with a purple tint.<BR>
<B>the one that lost to a SATURN in livermore one night??</B><BR>
Yes, I have lost to a saturn on the night in question. However, what is the stock time for your car? Let's see I have run a 15.7 only. Yet, I dont say my car is fast. Simply it is not. There is no question that my car is slow, since it is slow. However, let me ask you this. What is the hp of your car? my SOHC 135hp engine sure kept me close to you though. Hmmmmmmmmm... lets see all i have is; intake, header, high flow cat, Bosch Platinum +4 spark plugs (with 25,000 miles on them), and exhaust. Wait I know why my car is supposed to be fast... I have springs and clear corners!!! dayem I forgot about that... so that should add what another 55hp and give me stock vtec power??? *rolls* his eyes... wuteva... Now ask someone like Byron, or some of the other people who have been around for a few years at least... ooo wait ur a newbie I forgot. But just ask around or run me again sumtime and look what all is in my car; Spare Tire, Jack, approx 40Lb. bag of tools, sum hockey equipment, 1/3+ tank of pump gas, full interior, etc... If you would like to race me again, when I am set to race after dumping considerable weight, then sure lets race. O wait i forgot to mention my other power mod, I have a shift knob!<BR>
<B>well considering you lost to a Saturn, I believe your statement goes right out the window!! and while I'm on the subject.....</B>
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Geeze is it just me or do I recall a saturn running low 11's therefore with your arguement, anyone who doesnt run faster then low 11's SO OBVIOUSLY doesnt know anything about racing or cars and all of their arguements "<B>goes right out the window!!</B>" Dayem, sorry to just about everyone interested in cars, you know nothing SL2much_rice knows it all, <I>becuase he has a saturn</I><BR>

<B>Everything in your ()'s are about what 13.6 second ITR should run and I belive that, but dropping almost a second with more that what you posted is unfathomable. What is left to do without running something else??? Another thing why would someone upgrade a Type R cam when there already of the ball sack?? Set me straight!?!?! I would love it!!!!</B> <BR>
Isn't it always desireable to have a better part? I know that I would even if i had a nice part, if a better one came out wouldn't I want that one? DUHH!!!<BR>
[Edited by SL2much_rice on 01-11-2001 at 12:20 AM] [/B]<BR><BR>


Interesting =] Isn't it. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...<BR><BR>


BTW, Tex he meant a different bolt on... He was talking about a 250 shot with an upgraded fuel rail and a K&N.<BR><BR>

SL2little_rice so when would u like to run me after I take out approxiamtely 100-120+Lbs out of my car... Hmmmmmmmmm... ooo one more thing... I recall that I had a passenger when I raced you... hmmmmmmmm so lets see how about a total of around 225+ less pounds in my car vs your plastic bucket? Hell I should loose regardless of what I do... I only run a 15.7 and you have a DOHC to my SOHC and at least 155hp... and I am sure your car weighs alot less being its made out of plastic... and I don't care if you like me or not, but I can change the fact that I didn't beat you pretty easily I am sure... Think about it...<BR><BR>

DNR, <BR>
Close enuff what was left unsaid, says alot.<BR><BR>

ScHeL

[5.0This]

Originally posted by DnRprojectSvP
we did it w/ no nos!

it's not that hard, if you know what your doing.

Well..Acr=tually I've seen that car, Even my mechanic told me that his shooting NOS... Plus I know Dave Nguyen from SVP. Im coo with him.

[LT WHAT?]

Originally posted by 5.0This
Originally posted by DnRprojectSvP
we did it w/ no nos!

it's not that hard, if you know what your doing.

Well..Acr=tually I've seen that car, Even my mechanic told me that his shooting NOS... Plus I know Dave Nguyen from SVP. Im coo with him.

someone wanna translate that to enlish?

[BillybobJoeThorton]

How do you suggest I hide my Turbo?? ;)

[gotskillz]

Someone told me that Steve at Skunkworks did most of the heavy duty work to the motor and tuning. I'm also curious what you did to the motor to get the hp to pull a stock body integra down the 1320 at 12.7. I don't know much but I know it takes more than headwork and bolt-ons to do it. Don't get me wrong the only reason I'm so curious is that's a stock body integra with boggarts. Props goes to you that's fast.

[Chris]

The thing that gets me is SVP has lied about alot of shit before, so its hard to believe them now. Oh and right now im driving a stock Camry, so I guess i dont know a muffler bearing from some blinker fluid huh? :)

[5.0This]

Originally posted by LT WHAT?
Originally posted by 5.0This
Originally posted by DnRprojectSvP
we did it w/ no nos!

it's not that hard, if you know what your doing.

Well..Acr=tually I've seen that car, Even my mechanic told me that his shooting NOS... Plus I know Dave Nguyen from SVP. Im coo with him.

someone wanna translate that to enlish?


The SVP Type R is SHOOTING NOS. He brought that car in here at the shop. Also I'm friends with Dave Nguyen from SVP and he told me that the ITR has NOS.

[LT WHAT?]

heh alright thanx, i really didn't understand the first time.

[gotskillz]

If the type-r ran 13.6 or 13.7 without NOS then he should be faster with NOS. The only reason why I think this is I have a civic with a GSR swap bolt-ons, 100 shot NOS plate, 13-91/2-22 inch boggarts, stock glass, stock body, open diff, and I ran 12.4 at a 114 MPH. Are you sure he has NOS?

I did a friends car 98 civic GSR swap with heavy head work OBD 1 conversion, ECU work, stock GSR bottom end , milled head 30 over, spoon head gasket, JUN package, JUN flywheel,
VAFC(tuned by tre at XS), open diff, skunk works drag launch, 270 cc injectors, kyb struts. With 555 ran 13.7 with 15" MT ran 13.2 104mph. We wanted to see what it would run with my plate kit on the car, with my boggarts front and skinnies on the rear and the car ran 11.87 121 mph.

I think the cars the shit and would love to know what you guys did, any help would be appreciated. If you guys want to stay hush hush I respect that.

[SL2much_rice]

And they all stink!!!

Wow, so pretty much what you are saying is because your car stock has more horsepower than a saturn(129 stock on DOHC models), and your car is more heavily modded than my saturn, and we both have spare tires, 150 pound box, with subs, tools in the trunk...etc.(added weight). that is the reason that I beat you.

Road and track stated that a saturn SC2 (the 2 door model, same motor, 5 or 6 hundred pounds lighter) stock, (which my car was at the time) runs a 16.5!

<b>Now if my memory serves me correctly, I believe you jumped on the red light, lost, and bounced, as I drove back to the start alone I wondered how I won, lets see his car has more horses, more mods, but i know what it is, it is because I am a newbie...right...beginners luck I guess!!! ha ha ha, ha ha ha </b>

You know in some crews, the driver actually doesnt drive his own car?

well I was wondering if you or any one needed some tissues, because I've stocked up after the last time everyone was crying over me just trying to get a rise out of some people.

[ScHeL]

Then send me an email to race. :) Did I make an excuse no, I just said what I had in my car. I even said I did loose. But you did not say you would run me. So send me an email. Also, how can I have taken off too early from a red light, when there wasnt even a signal there? *yawns*

Let's run again. If you think that it is such a big deal to beat a base model prelude and desire to *risk* perhaps loosing to it. Who knows who would win. I don't. Late Feb is wide open for us to race, let me know. I will not change my current plans to do this but, I have alot of open time then.

ScHeL

[k.]

*yawn*

~k.

[RS/377]

I have to go get a soda now, talk about fifteen second cars puts me to sleep evry time

[5.0This]

Originally posted by LT WHAT?
heh alright thanx, i really didn't understand the first time.

how would you know that his shooting 100 shots.. maybe his only shooting 40 or 60..have you seen the car??? Well I have.. So I rest my case!!!!

[k.]

u act like he keeps the car on hush hush, or like he wont pop the hood open to show what he's got..i think many people have seen the itr..:rolleyes:

this thread is boring..*yawn*

~k.

[Chris]

how many people actually know what to look for though?

[k.]

u have a point.

~k.

[ScHeL]

<QUOTE>Originally posted by SL2much_rice
<B> saturn(129 stock on DOHC models), and your car is more heavily modded than my saturn... (added weight). that is the reason that I beat you... (the 2 door model, same motor, 5 or 6 hundred pounds lighter) </B> </QUOTE>

hahaha NO. I lost becuase I lost. Did you see me say that I won? No, since I never did. Does it matter nope. Apparently this is the most important thing that has ever happened to you Miles, as you continue to harp on it. I however have a number of things that are much more important and worthy, then beating a slow car once! hahaha

Interesting differences in the vehicles however are as follows:<BR><BR>

<U>SL2</U> <U>Prelude S</U><BR>
2389 lbs. 2809 lbs.<BR>
DOHC SOHC<BR>
124hp@5600 135hp@5200<BR>
122lbs/ft@4800rpm 142lbs/ft@4000<BR><BR>

The links for all of this information are as follows:<BR>
<A HREF="http://u2200a.edmunds.com/edweb/cars/Saturn/1031.99.html#specs">Saturn</A><BR>
<A HREF="http://www.hondaprelude.com/resources/4thgen/usdmspecs.asp">Prelude</A><BR>

Interesting isn't it? hahaha Miles I am happy you are so worried about me and even happier that my 15.7 SOHC is even more important hahahaha LOOSER!

ScHeL

[k.]

*sn0re*

~k.

[k.]

sl2..hi. i was rereading this pathetic thread.

i was there when u raced schel in livermore..in defence i have to state i dont think there would have been a chance of you winning..seeing how he didnt plan to race that night in particular. if he would have planned to, i do think he would have considered the weight factor and taken out the extra pounds in the car. (ie: me and tool box)

cuz i do remember he yelled out to you right after that he lost cuz of extra weight.

and do u think so low of your car..that just becuase someone lost to ur saturn..nothing they say or do can be considered valid? u should do some thinking before u post.

and if there is anything wrong with what i just wrote..please let me know..thanks.

~k.

[blkls94svp]

well me and schel have are difference's i know this but i gotta say that this saturn kid is a fricken joke....if his idea of bolt ons are cams, then i guess a turbo qualifies because it does not require you to open the crank case...you are a fucken fool BRO!..oh yah BRO why dont you talk about some thing you know,,like you grampas bowling scores or how you gradma nits blankets, it is the least you could do since they let you drive their car.

[SL2much_rice]

<b>Well...sis...</b>
yup, cams are bolt-on's, aren't they? But only on Wankle Rotary motors right??? Because you don't have to remove the head?!?!

K, well I just wanted to say I dont think that there is anything wrong with what you nor anyone else in this thread posted, but...<b>how heavy is this toolbox????</b>

Yes I do think lowly of my car because it is <b>SLOW AS SHIT!</b> But I do like my car, because people actually lose to it (it is hillarious to see their reactions afterwards), and it is a comfortable G'ma G'pa car, but yet <b>origional!!!</b>

I mean come on, I beat a GSR at CMI 2 weeks ago, with a 15.6????? he should have spanked me!!!!

<b>You all kill me...</b>
Look how many people I had crying, just because I was drunk and bored one night, and decided to see what I could stir up. If any of you need tissues, just hit me up, as I said before, I have plenty left from the last time I got a bunch of people crying. Thank you all for your participation, and I'll see you around!

[Mike]

well,if you claim to have seen his NOS,so why you dont you tell us where it is?I have seen the car numerous times,and there is no NOS in the car.

[5.0This]

Originally posted by mike96dx
well,if you claim to have seen his NOS,so why you dont you tell us where it is?I have seen the car numerous times,and there is no NOS in the car.

I said my mechanic told me he has NOS because he brought the car in to the shop..Also I know DAVE NGUYEN>> I rest my case..

[DnRprojectSvP]

Originally posted by 5.0This
Originally posted by mike96dx
well,if you claim to have seen his NOS,so why you dont you tell us where it is?I have seen the car numerous times,and there is no NOS in the car.

I said my mechanic told me he has NOS because he brought the car in to the shop..Also I know DAVE NGUYEN>> I rest my case..

if you know me, then why the fuk dont i know u? and why would i tell you that theres NOS in the ITR when there isn't? what shop did i supposidly take the car to, huh 5.0THis? So, I rest my CASE!!!

p.s can you please tell me what the fuk u r smokin, cuz id like to try some of that shit...



[Edited by DnRprojectSvP on 01-15-2001 at 06:42 PM]

[5.0This]

Originally posted by DnRprojectSvP
Originally posted by 5.0This
Originally posted by mike96dx
well,if you claim to have seen his NOS,so why you dont you tell us where it is?I have seen the car numerous times,and there is no NOS in the car.

I said my mechanic told me he has NOS because he brought the car in to the shop..Also I know DAVE NGUYEN>> I rest my case..

if you know me, then why the fuk dont i know u? and i would i tell you that theres NOS in the ITR when there isn't? can you please tell me what the fuk u r smokin, cuz id like to try some of that shit...

Are you sure your dave nguyen.. What HS did you go to.. Cuz iwent to HS with you and we were buds.. we had auto class together and drivers ed...

[DnRprojectSvP]

you talkin bout the wrong Dave Nguyen. i never had autoshop or whatever. i went to Mt. pleasant, Independence, and some other HSs. sorry bro, you know the wrong Dave Nguyen so you shouldnt rest your case no more......=p

[LT WHAT?]

DNR don't sweat this guy he's a fool.

[DnRprojectSvP]

Originally posted by 5.0This
Are you sure your dave nguyen.. What HS did you go to.. Cuz iwent to HS with you and we were buds.. we had auto class together and drivers ed... [/B]

Some one must feel hella stupid right now....you might know Dave Nguyen and you guys might be buddies, but u aint buddies w/ DnR . so quit sayin "that ITR has nos.....ive seen it.....my mechanic told me.....i know dave nguyen....I rest my case!"

late

[5.0This]

Originally posted by DnRprojectSvP
you talkin bout the wrong Dave Nguyen. i never had autoshop or whatever. i went to Mt. pleasant, Independence, and some other HSs. sorry bro, you know the wrong Dave Nguyen so you shouldnt rest your case no more......=p

Dave Nguyen w/ a civic back in 95 or 96..I think black w/ leather ineterior and 2 of your brothers drive a white GSR..
last time I saw you have a red ls or rs integ??? I went to MP too class of 1997 My bad it was Jerry Nguyen and his brothers name is Dave Nguyen...would that be you

[Edited by 5.0This on 01-15-2001 at 06:58 PM]

[DnRprojectSvP]

[i]Originally posted by 5.0This
Dave Nguyen w/ a civic back in 95 or 96..I think black w/ leather ineterior and 2 of your brothers drive a white GSR..
last time I saw you have a red ls or rs integ??? I went to MP too class of 1997 [/B]

i had a 96 white integ. my brother had a blk civic w/ leathers, and my other brother had a 95 integ. it is my brother who had the blk civic that has a red ls integ. so you must be talkin bout my bro. not me.

[5.0This]

Originally posted by DnRprojectSvP
[i]Originally posted by 5.0This
Dave Nguyen w/ a civic back in 95 or 96..I think black w/ leather ineterior and 2 of your brothers drive a white GSR..
last time I saw you have a red ls or rs integ??? I went to MP too class of 1997

i had a 96 white integ. my brother had a blk civic w/ leathers, and my other brother had a 95 integ. it is my brother who had the blk civic that has a red ls integ. so you must be talkin bout my bro. not me. [/B]

Yeah I was talking about your bro Jerry my bad... He told me It had NOS last time I saw him at In and out.. that about 1 yr ago...Wheres Jerry now??

[DnRprojectSvP]

i dont know why u goin on this board saying or ITR is Squeezin NoS when you dont even know wsup. peace!!

[5.0This]

Originally posted by LT WHAT?
DNR don't sweat this guy he's a fool.

Ill run your Stang w/ my 78 civic That still says CVCC on the back.. hahahhahahaha

[ScHeL]

Hey saturn boi miles... no reply yet so i guess u dont want to race me when i am willing to race... tsk tsk...

ScHeL

[HungryHippo]

lol! thats funny. i know DNR too.... i know the itr is squeezing too cause some ford technition in texas said so. no wait a minute, i just go to the same church as DNR's aunt

[juggernautxtreme]

No see i heard that the ITR was squeezing from that dude that works at Footlocker who has been measuring DNR's foot since he was 7 and got the first pair of Reeboc Pumps. WTF
Now SVP's ITR is going to get pulled over again so the SJPD can search the entire thing again to check on this new info.
Oh yeah SVP are you guys still running the 100 shot. hahahahahahahaaahahahahah. Some fools need to stop hating. Fuck

[LT WHAT?]

Originally posted by SlowNGiggly
lol! thats funny. i know DNR too.... i know the itr is squeezing too cause some ford technition in texas said so. no wait a minute, i just go to the same church as DNR's aunt

haha, yea, basically. 5.0This is just plain stupid, all he does on here is talk shit. and he never even really makes sense.

[5.0This]

Originally posted by LT WHAT?
Originally posted by SlowNGiggly
lol! thats funny. i know DNR too.... i know the itr is squeezing too cause some ford technition in texas said so. no wait a minute, i just go to the same church as DNR's aunt

haha, yea, basically. 5.0This is just plain stupid, all he does on here is talk shit. and he never even really makes sense.

I think your dumb and stupid.. your so dumb you dont even know what comes afetr your LT.. thats why your called LT What.. well let me finish it for you.. LT = Low Torque, so are you still up for the challenge? Since you have Low Torque I'll bring my 78 civic that still say CVCC on the back and ill have my sis drive it for some competition.. LT WHAT??? LOL..your a JOKE.. So tell me something Integ still cant beat your SVT??? Well how about a 12.7 ITR.. Argue w/ that now son.

[5.0This]

haha, yea, basically. 5.0This is just plain stupid, all he does on here is talk shit. and he never even really makes sense. [/B][/QUOTE]

LT WHAT has a brother that own a Green Barreta.. So stupid that he put a REAR COMBAT BUMPER AS HIS FRONT BUMPER...AND FOR PERFORMANCE, HE PUNCH HOLES ON HIS MUFFLER.. GOSH wonder where he got it from?? LT WHAT??

[5.0This]

haha, yea, basically. 5.0This is just plain stupid, all he does on here is talk shit. and he never even really makes sense. [/B][/QUOTE]

AND THEN??

[noslow5oh]

Oh man....just let it die....who cares

[LT WHAT?]

wow.

[SAiNTVrs]

Acually, i heard 5.0this has an 'OG'(look for thread by tanker on the statistics) And i heard this from his moms best friends cousin, who works at Target where the managers sister is my best friends lesbian girlfriend. All got that???

[RotaWho]

I would like to put in my 2
cents.

[ScHeL]

Originally posted by ScHeL
Hey saturn boi miles... no reply yet so i guess u dont want to race me when i am willing to race... tsk tsk...

ScHeL

Way to suddenly get quiet HAHAHAHAHA apparently your afraid of my lil slow ass SOHC hahaha ooo well your invitation to race has been revoked...

ScHeL

[Chris]

5.0This, your comments are just stupid. You seriously know nothing about a car. Can you even give me a definition of what Torque is? I have no doubt a 408 in a Fox will run faster than a 12.7, since a 5.0 can do it with less than 5 grand invested into it. You need to learn about cars you sorry excuse for a human.

[TFM]

hey Chris hows ur Stang Doing??? i heard its in the shop, whats being done to it?? well hope its finished, See u on the streets bro

[Chris]

thanks for the interest, the end of this summer the tranny decided to lose my overdrive, (race automatic) so I was forced to drive the thing at 3000 rpms for long distances. I had no problem racing it since I still had all three gears I needed to run, As some might remember the thing dying on the way to the line :) Anyway one night it decided to blow the piston rings hence no compression. New plans for an engine are under way at Rebello Racing, for a 470HP n/a 306 to drop into it, but who knows when theyll finish. They dont have the reputation for being speedy, but rather doing it right so itll last. Im hoping for this spring/summer to have it goin again.

[DSMu4ia]

Why does everyone go buck freakin' wild over this 12 second Type R? I know there is a ton of rice on this board, and get giggly based grins whenever they see a car that does .5 faster than stock. Honestly..come to the east where racing was born and we will show you how to run. For the people doubting that 12's could be hit in a four cylinder car by just bolt ons...ever heard of DSM. The fast ones are out east...come and *try* and play with one. You can run 11's all day on just BOLT-ONS..and if you do weight reductions you can hit 10's. My friend hit mid 13's with only spending about $75 (K+N and boost controller). I don't want to see flames after my post, cuz you all know that DSMs are the best performing cars per buck out there. I would love to see the face on SVP when I do a 5500rpm side step launch in a well modded AWD car...which in turn would bust about a 1.5-1.6 60'time, and probably squeling quite a bit of rubber in the process. Then once the turns come, all he would see would be tail lights. I mean sure 12.7 or whatever is FAST in a honda..but if you see how much money they put into it (CAR+MODS) and then you compare it to what they *could* be running had they bought a DSM instead...you would cry. For example..a decent 1G DSM costs about oh...2500-3500...spend a grand and get it running in perfect mechanical order. $4500, start doing basic free mods and u are on the verge of hitting 13's. Throw an exhaust, intake, boost controller, on there and you are definately hitting 13's. $5500, Add a new fuel pump and some 550 or 620 injectors and you will see low 13's. $6200, Add a big 16g turbo with a lil' porting and those numbers just plummet to low to mid 12's. $7500, Throw on a front mount intercooler and high 11's-low 12's are attainable. $8500, Do some suspension mods and u will be seeing 11's all day and night. $9500, add some engine controls such as a APEXi SAFC, etc..along with an ECU upgrade and a few 22psi dyno runs to make sure that your fuel curve is mapped correctly and your car is tuned for maximum horsies :). $10000, add a nice ACT 2600. Ok so you just spent $10,000 on a car that runs 11's all day long..INCLUDING the price of the car. If you look around you can find them basically in mint condition (www.dsmtrader.com). If you want to go much faster than this, it will *usually* require internal mods to the engine such as cams, port/polish heads, etc. but the bottom end is good for low 11's EASILY!! C'mon guys..buy a car with real attainable power...have I enticed anyone?!?!

Bring the flames on.. :D

Tony Turk
http://Cleveland.dsm.org

[TFM]

only a handful of all motors hondas run in the 12s so thats special, its not about how fast you go, its about how you do it...

[LT WHAT?]

DSM4uia: i think i already explained my equation of sorts to you, just wanted to remind you.

[DSMu4ia]

Yea LT I remember...but still...I hate this

"OMG a 12second ACURA that they spent like 40 grand on!@!"

Maybe it's just cuz im feeling ill today and would like to go back to bed. :-/

[CVCCHybrid]

How come all this domestics guys be clowning on this 12.7 ITR.. when my old beat up CVCC that I bought for $200 w/ a B16a motor just beat the crap off one of them stang.. I swear People w/ stang just think there the shiet.. Like my encounter couple of weeks ago w/ this stang. i was at a stop light and this stang pulled up. Wow lowered, dual exaust and everything but, boom when it turned green I left him by 1 car legnht right off the line, by the time we finish it was ahead by at least 5 car lenghts.. It seemed like HEADLIGHTS TURNED INTO FOGLIGHTS. And Chris this w/ a old school car that I only spend prolly $3,000 w/the car.. AIGHT.. I bet you be crying and saying then why dont you race me.. Shoot just accept it that The ITR runed 12.7 all motor, dont bitch about it.. You all prolly jealous because you dont have a NICE FAST CAR LIKE HIS....

[LT WHAT?]

Originally posted by CVCCHybrid
How come all this domestics guys be clowning on this 12.7 ITR.. when my old beat up CVCC that I bought for $200 w/ a B16a motor just beat the crap off one of them stang.. I swear People w/ stang just think there the shiet.. Like my encounter couple of weeks ago w/ this stang. i was at a stop light and this stang pulled up. Wow lowered, dual exaust and everything but, boom when it turned green I left him by 1 car legnht right off the line, by the time we finish it was ahead by at least 5 car lenghts.. It seemed like HEADLIGHTS TURNED INTO FOGLIGHTS. And Chris this w/ a old school car that I only spend prolly $3,000 w/the car.. AIGHT.. I bet you be crying and saying then why dont you race me.. Shoot just accept it that The ITR runed 12.7 all motor, dont bitch about it.. You all prolly jealous because you dont have a NICE FAST CAR LIKE HIS....

don't talk.

[Jaggorri]

CAN WE PLEASE STOP WITH THIS IMPORT VS. DOMESTIC BULLSHIT!

No one is jealous! Yes, it ran a 12.7. That car is quick, case closed.

Stop with the fucking in-fighting on these boards. I swear, everything on these boards is just fine until someone mentions this Type R, then everyone goes ballitic and takes sides.

GET THE FUCK OVER IT.

If imports are your thing, great. If domestics are your thing, great. WE'RE ALL IN THIS FOR THE SAME THING- OUR LOVE OF CARS. Stop pissing and moaning and fighting with each other. DAMN. This is starting to make the bay area racers look like a bunch of sniveling little bitches.

SHUT UP AND RACE.

Thank you.

Byron
Am I the only one here who is sick of reading this shit?

[HungryHippo]

first of all, when were dsm's considered domestics?

second, give props where props are due. keep in mind i'm just talkin out my ass cause i dont know anyone in svp (met gil once, only a year ago he was stock!). the itr doesnt have that much engine work done to it from what i understand, i think the main things are weight reduction, tuning, and of course the driver. damn, that dave guy can drive!

[coos]

My car is an import. Because i get my parts from import producers. It has the same set up that every other import has.

[CVCCHybrid]

Originally posted by SlowNGiggly
first of all, when were dsm's considered domestics?

second, give props where props are due. keep in mind i'm just talkin out my ass cause i dont know anyone in svp (met gil once, only a year ago he was stock!). the itr doesnt have that much engine work done to it from what i understand, i think the main things are weight reduction, tuning, and of course the driver. damn, that dave guy can drive!


Umm is Eagle Talon and Chrysler Import?
PEOPLE JUST GO OUT THERE AND RACE, STOP ARGUING AND PUTTING PEOPLE DOWN...WERE ALL IN THIS RACING TOGETHERE..PEACE

[k.]

Originally posted by Byron
SHUT UP AND RACE.

Thank you.

Byron
Am I the only one here who is sick of reading this shit? [/B]

temper temper! lol..i think a lot of people are sick of reading this.

~k.

[RS/377]

not to get into this arguement, but I have to add that I believe that DSM's are domestics if anything, as there is no japanese equilelent to them and they were built in america. While the drivetrain is completley japanese, as I understand it the body design came out of a chrysler studio.

[BillybobJoeThorton]

Dsm's can be consider domestics or imports because they have a little of both in em. Lets just say the Eclipses are imports and the Talons are domestics LoL j/k

[HungryHippo]

thats what i'm sayin, they are both. when was the last time anyone called a dsm an import or domestic? they are pretty much in a class of their own i think

[Jaggorri]

Originally posted by RS/377
not to get into this arguement, but I have to add that I believe that DSM's are domestics if anything, as there is no japanese equilelent to them and they were built in america. While the drivetrain is completley japanese, as I understand it the body design came out of a chrysler studio.


The Lancer EVO? It uses the same exact drivetrain and engine as the Eclipse/Talon but with a slighty better flowing head. I'm sure Kaz could expand on this better ;)

[RS/377]

yes they share the same drivetrain, the lancer's is stronger though.
However as far as japanese equivelent I meant body styling and sheetmetal, which I believe is exclusive to the US and Canada

[SL2much_rice]

to all the racer folks I can not imagine why
I have seen ricers continually roll to N 1st.
Or has it been that long they 4got

[svp00dnrp]

No matter how its done MR.dnr can put hondas& acuras into the 12s...
Let me give yah couple cars he modified and gots into the 12s...
His 96 integra gsr back in 97 hit 12.7 at 108 mph with a complete stock motor and 100 shot of NOS w/slicks....
GILs typE r & STeves civic TYpe R.....ran MId to high 12s all motor....
ANd my car the 95 integra ls-turbo ran low 12s ..12.3 to be exact..with a stock block @12 lbs of boost............
ALl these 4 bangers are daily driven or acually mine was a daily driver but going full drag now....everYone watch out because DNR new PRoject wIll be coming to the streets near You...can you say tURbO/NItROUs 4 banger....anyone....lol.....

[Wolf]

What does DNR stand for? I see stuff about DNR Projects all over the place, but never knew what the acronymn stood for.

[Mike]

Dave Nguyen Racing.

[JDMb18civic]

i heard the DNR stickers are about 30hp to wheels now!!!

[TFM]

jdmb18 why u gotta steal my jokes for?

[JDMb18civic]

hahahhahah...

my bad man...

[mr.integra]

Originally posted by SL2much_rice
Question of the month...
<b><font size=6 face=verdana>EXACTLY</font></b> what mods are necessary to make a Type R Integ run approx. 12.755???

this is very ez to answer... this will GUARANTEE u 12's if you're a good driver

JDM 4-1 header or better
Toda Spec C's
Toda vs
Crower TI valve springs
12.1 compression pistons
Tuning/Fuel Management

[mr.integra]

o ya don't forget slicks and sum suspension mods

[TurboDeuce]

yah dont forget to get some small ass rotors so that u can put some tiny ass wheels on.