I Hate Initial D!

[RS13 240SX]

Ever since this local race shop in a mall plays Initial D on there "TV in the window" everybody want to get a fucking Hachi now. Crowds of young teenagers gather around the glass to catch a glimpse. I remember when everybody thought my brothers and cousins Hachi's looked like a piece of shit, or chicks didn't even want to hop in with us because they said it was too old of a car. Nowdays, many people think the Hachi looks kool or people want to get Hachi's because of Initial D. Chicks even know what a "HACHI" is.

Initial D WAS a good cartoon but I got sick of its 4 years ago. I even threw away my movies. I wont even start with the Manga books. I can't believe people think it's a NEW CARTOON. I think I'm goin to crack my Initial D PS game because it sucked so much. Too be honest with you, the story gets kind of repetitive and BORING.

Well this is only MY OPINION about INITIAL D. EVERYONE HAS DIFFERNET TASTES, I bet a lot of you r thinking, What the fuck? I HATE INITIAL D? Yeah, it was good until it became popular to the rice boys in the US.

[RS13 240SX]

I also can't believe people want to get into drifting because of a cartoon. I didn't know people were stupid enought to copy things that happen in a cartoon. Drifting is dangerous, dont do it.

[HadesOmega]

what's a hachi? Doesn't that mean 8? I kinda know how you feel I've been watching Initial D for a while now ever since it came out in japan and it is a great anime. Now everyone wants an 86 now and everyone wants to drift. I mean sure Initial D kinda nudged me into drifting but I've always thought drifting was cool and I read up on it and started downloading movies and stuff online. Before nobody knew crap about Initial D now it's pretty popular. Haha that a good point, my friend thought the 86 was a junk car and when he watched Initial D he said it's not so bad.

Have you seen the trailer for the US initial D? Haha interesting how the 4AGE sounded like a F1 car when it passed by. I wonder if they're gonna call it a "Gum Tape Deathmatch" in the US version.

Haha over at the Great Mall of Milpitas, I see them play 2nd stage there on that big screen each time I pass by. I do see a lotta people crowded around saying what's this? Their car models cost too much there.

Well an 86 is an old car and they're becoming harder to find. Haha my uncle parked his 86 infront of my house for like a year and I didn't even know why it was so popular a car till I watched the anime. The point to where the 86 trend can go won't reach as far as the import trend has gone. Though I do see a trend setting though, most of the cars I see that drift here in my area are 86s and 240s.... see I don't have an 86 sure would make a nice beater though!

haha sorry TJ if you read this I know I promised to stop posting here but erm I couldn't resist this one.

[ridge]

the hachi is a good well balanced car for drifitng

The price of 86's in my area is getting insanely high, as high as $3000USD for an 1985 GT-S with 150 miles on the clock.

[Tanker]

Inidial D is just the next trend starter like F&F was. just give it time it will go away too.

and IMO I like the show, I just ordered stage 1 so:p

[Silvia S14]

I still think the hachi is a piece of shit. :D

[XiaoMing]

Bah It's all about my FC3s!!!!
... Hahahaha hell my pos is shittier than most truenos.

[Mr 20Valve]

Originally posted by Silvia S14
I still think the hachi is a piece of shit. :D


i agree...



SPREAD THE WORD! :D

[shockwave]

*shrug*

I'm still savin for a Hatchi. Good on gas, its small, its got nearly perfect 50/50 balance. Personaly I think it looks kinda sporty. Mind u I want to put the trueno bumpers on it. They look nicer. And the 4AG doesn;t Buzz liek a V-tec! It sounds good!! Deep.
May not be a drag specialist... but it sure can corner :P

As for initial D? I think its great. It doesn;t trash the street racing scene like TFATF did.

[ridge]

might I remind you that the 86 is a 15 year old car. And its a freakin Corolla!! Most owner who brought that car back then were mid-age male who could't afford the Z's. They wear dirty clothes, eat $1 taco for lunch, probably eat it inside the car too and have tons of credit-card debts. Do you think they're gonna take care of their 86? Use redline oil after every 3000mile oil change? Not really.

That is probably a reason why most 86 nowaday are in terrible conditions. If you want it to become a tofu racer, you'll need cash. To even keep up with a FC Turbo II in the twisties, you'll need alot of fine tuning.

the 86 is still an excellent car given that it is in excellent condition and the car is tuned to a certain level.

[shockwave]

Fully aware and not worried. I liek the 86...I just try to my best to forget the fact that its a corolla. lol. the car is only to get me from 1 place to another..for now...till things die down abit with the media, cops and street racing... if you are in BC you know what I'm talking about with the media reporting every crash that involves a teenager. god they make it sound liek as soon as a 18 year old gets in ac ar he/she is gonna do 140 through an alley way!

[Qstar07]

what's a hachi? are you guy speaking spanish?? i couldn't find the definition of a hachi in the dictionary. can some explain?:confused:

[danFL]

hachi-roku

hachi is japanese for 8
roku is " " 6

the chassis code for rwd corolla, is AE86. people call it an eight six or hachi roku. kinda like how you have S13/S14, EG6, EF8, etc.

correct me if im wrong. :o

[Dj Elektrique]

no your right dood, ae86 = "hachi roku".
All cars in Japan go by body or "chassis" code, we don't call them "Skylines" or "Evo's" or "Silvia", it call goes by the chassis code.

I don't hate "Initial D", I just hate trend followers and Americans perception with trends. When some new fad or trend comes along, it seems everyone drops everything past and picks up the latest trend to be cool, when the last trend was still cool and is still great, but then you would be "behind the times" if you stayed with the last trend. I think its a stupid mind set, full of ignorance and it really shows the intelligence and arrogance we Americans have sometimes.

[ridge]

The hachi is good, but its no god. Many people have heard this from me like 1 million times already, but I'm gonna say it again. In Japan, the 86 is a good drift car because it has a potent motor, 50/50 weight distribution, but mainly beacuse its cheap to get and parts are cheap to replace. If you're into any serious drifting, you'll know that maintaince is expansive. one drift session and waste your tires, and shorten the life of your suspension. If you're a little bit careless, you'll get some body damage. Body damage will probably part of your driftng carrer if you plan to play serious. If you're even more careless, which will happen and its normal, you might even lose your car. Now tell me would you rather lose a $20,000 RX-7 FD3S or a $3000 Hachi?

[shockwave]

meh. I liek the the Hatcho before I ever saw initial D

[danFL]

i agree with elektrique (SP!?) :p

americans arent original anymore. they have to follow japanese stylings and anything else that is cool, such as dtm styles, rally style which is mostly austrailian/euro/african/s.american races, dont know of too many in n.america.

i bought my s14 dec 2001 but it was just an upgrade from my last car. my friend has an s14 with sr20det being put in as i speak, but i didnt buy it to go drifting like all the other bandwagoneers. :rolleyes: even he doesnt drift it, its merely a street car. i like to see drifting and i have tried my skill at it, not very good, but i dont do it alot and its too dangerous for my 97, which i do not want to mess up body panel or paint or suspension pieces.

what gets me is that some kids here think drifting is a sport all of its own. sure, you see people on open track days in JP doing nothing but going sideways around an apex, but drifting is merely a part of a road race, and even then alot of people dont always do it on pro circuits...at least i dont see it. maybe im talking out of my ass.

i let the "followers" and posers do their thing. i worry about myself. and every car that becomes riced out, poser style, or obtains battlescars (which some people seem to think are GOOD to have??? :confused: ), just makes my car look that much better :)

oh and initial D=saw stages 1 & 2 and the movie so far. i first saw them from last october up until december. i was kinda hooked but it was just hooked because the way the episodes were broken up, it made me want to keep watching just to see what happens. yeah the storylines get repetitive, but as someone stated "its entertainment, and ONLY that."

[EzraFrost]

Initial D had it's good points and its bad points... Personally, I haven't seen enough of it to decide whether I like it or can't stand it, although, I can tell you one thing, I was really disappointed with the character design. They're all bug eyed and freaky lookin... It's messed up. If they had more of a Slayers or Tenchi Muyo character design, it would have been alot more visually appealing, but that's just me being finicky. :D

I did like the idea of the little paper cup with the water... if I had a cupholder in my prelude I'd try the same thing. (FYI: for those of you who don't know, in the series, the main character's father fills a cup with water and tells his son that if he spills any water out of the cup when driving or especially while shifting, the tofu he's delivering will spoil. Of course this isn't true, the father just wants his son to be bad ass shifter. Although, it's kind of amusing to think that, at age 13 and the five years that ensued, this kid never figured out that it was a buncha shit.)

There were a couple feasible and unique ideas about the anime, but--and as I said before, I haven't seen enough of it to do more than speculate--I would imagine that the rest of the series is exhausted... long, tiring and stretched thin like a Dragonball Z saga. (I know that the creators of DBZ have to crank out some 300+ episodes a year, but I'm sorry... any anime or show that revolves around muscle bound idiots breaking stuff, exchanging insults and standing around grunting really needs new storyboard directors. That fight with Freiza took like what, 40 episodes!? The Mahjin Buu one is prolly gonna be TWICE that. They could do a hell of alot better than this... they're just milking it to keep their producers happy.) You can call me biased, but I'm a little upset by the thought that a beater ass AE86 could even hang around in the rear view of an RX-7 OR a Skyline (Two of the greatest cars ever, by the way.). But--oh! That's right! Because it's an anime, it makes this a special case. It's not just ANY AE86, it's the super-happy, bone-stock magical tofu-truckin' trueno from hell.

If it were up to me, I'd rather go for an older Silvia if I was in the market for a low cost weekend drifter. They're not exactly sexy, but they're effective and they perform well given their specs and makeup. Anyway, yeah. I think I'm done here. Oh! I almost forgot. "Initial D" is supposed to mean Inertial Drift, in case some of you out there didn't know that.

[EzraFrost]

I almost forgot... post your opinion here--
http://www.sromagazine.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39530

For those of you fellow Skyline and RX-7 enthusiasts...

[RS13 240SX]

My father and his friends are fond of the Hachis. They're the old filipino type people who tune old japanese cars such as the 240/280z, 510, TE27's, SA22's, etc. They refer to it as a classic, as they to with any old japanese RWD sprots cars. Many owners of Hachi's in Hawaii, or the original owners of them, are middle aged filipinos. As for me liking the Hachi, I don't like it at all. I hate the feel of the car. The only old japanese sports car I would get is a 280z(like my fathers L28T!) or a 510.

[Qstar07]

Originally posted by shockwave
meh. I liek the the Hatcho before I ever saw initial D

:rolleyes:
by the way....isn't it hachi?

[shockwave]

omg...look at your keyboard ok? Notice where the "I" is placed in comparison to the "O".... Have you ever heard of the term. I typod? :rolleyes:

[Jay]

AE86s are cool, and Inital D is a groovy cartoon..its the idiots that give it a bad name...the trend followers..

[Qstar07]

Originally posted by shockwave
omg...look at your keyboard ok? Notice where the "I" is placed in comparison to the "O".... Have you ever heard of the term. I typod? :rolleyes:


and where did the T come from? HATCHI??????????????????
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
or HACHI.

[joobojesse]

As far as initial d being a trend, i would like to paralel it fo FnF, and drad racing.

FnF had a much more intense change for the drag racing world for the reason that DRAG RACING REQUIRES VERY LITTLE SKILL. The fact is that anybody can whip out their car and race somebody at the stoplight. It dosnt take TONS of practice, (and usually lessons) to drag, as it does in drifting.

Unless you have extra skill, you cant just take out any old honda, and drift. A drifter often needs to but a dedicated rwd sports car in order to drift.

Plus, drifting isnt as glamorus, and or easy to "sell" like they did in fnf. You cant just slap on a door sticker, and become a drifter. Yuo cant just get some NAWZ, and hit perfect corners, it requires months of practice.

[mixmastatez]

Originally posted by ridge
The hachi is good, but its no god. Many people have heard this from me like 1 million times already, but I'm gonna say it again. In Japan, the 86 is a good drift car because it has a potent motor, 50/50 weight distribution, but mainly beacuse its cheap to get and parts are cheap to replace
i wouldnt really call a blue top 4AGE potent- my one sure as hell wasnt when i got it! look out for that 16 second MR2! its the balance that appeals, you dont have to 'pretend its not a corolla', the corolla levins/truenos have been classics in the TE27 and KE37 shapes as well, and KE70s are common still in the 1301-1600 rally class, KP61s dominate the 0-1300 class. well-built cars, cheap, reliable, easy to fix, good balance and handling. what good does a bazillion hp do if you cant get round corners efficiently?

yes, i am still bitter.

[carb0nfiber5]

i like 86's... but some people like putting a lot of stickers on thier ride... some dont... i dunno :o


i like pontiac aztecs.... :haha:


(sorry dat was just mean) :(

[k.]

my 2 cents....

drifting and road racing has appealed to me since i first learned of it 3 some odd years ago.

initial d, when i heard of it around the same time...never did.

so now in 2002, i recieve copies of the stages from a friend, and i'm still not done with second stage.

my opinion so far: its not as cracked up to be like people make it seem. stage 1 is better than stage 2 tho. i am quite bored with it so far. oh well, i will watch the entirety of it though.

and i'd take any gen silvia over an 86 anyday, or maybe i'll just keep my miata. :)

~k.

[dero84]

i like drifting....... everybody thinks there so cool cause they were into drifitng befor others were, it makes me want to not even do it because everybody rips on new people that are now starting to drift, so if i keep drifitng will i just be one of those trend followers or should i just stop.

[Buffalo Daughter]

I dont know what to say? i mean blah, whatever. Its so stupid though how i see peeps all trying to get one. Hummm.....I don't know what going on anymore. Gotta keep it real....

But what i real anymore? I dont know but their is a lot of false hood....most i can say is if any of you "so called" new enthusiasts of drifting or gripping get a start into it my advice...

DONT ACT LIKE YOU KNOW OR SOUND LIKE YOU KNOW HOW TO DRIFT UNITL YOUVE ACTUALLY GOT INTO A CAR AND TRIED IT FOR YOURSELF.

Practice and learn and dont be a smartass know it all.

PAste

[S-Type1]

A clean hachi is a USELESS hachi!

the part that i dont get is that you hate it now because other people like it? that doesnt make sense to me. oh well.

[Mr 20Valve]

Originally posted by S-Type1
A clean hachi is a USELESS hachi!


says who??


this is the part that i hate.

because of the fact that my hachi isnt a beater, all the so-called 'hard core' AE-86 enthusiasts dont like my car at all... they think its crap. or 'not a real hachi' or 'a USELESS hachi'...

i take the utmost care of my car... i maintain it to the best of my ability, and when something breaks (which happens more regularly than what i'd like) i fix it straight away. just because i dont like my car to look like its held together with duct tape & zip-ties, doesnt make it any less capable, nor does it make it any less of a fast car....


/rant

[Mr 20Valve]

oh, and just for the record, i finally got rid of the 17" chrome 'dubs' i had on the car... pics of my new wheels will be posted as soon as im able to get my hands on a digicam.... :D

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

hmm.. yea initial d is old skool.. drifting is old skool.. ive known about it for a long time.. before i even started driving.. im still not sure how come drifting is starting to become popular all of a sudden and everybody wants a hachi and wants to drift.. maybe its because of initial d.. maybe its not.. obviously thers a strong influence from initial d if everyone suddenly wants a hachi..

everyone has to start somewhere right.. we all didnt start racing out of the blue.. we had some kinda of influence or something that made us want to do it.. for the newbies.. its usually fast and furious.. with drifting i guess initial d is what is hyping up the whole drifting thing.. its somehow starting to become a trend.. and like most trends.. the o.g. folks just have to learn to deal wit it until it dies out.. or until peeps start crashing and find out how hard and dangerous it could be..

i dont see wat the problem is if you like initial d.. for the anime that it is.. not for wat it influenced.. i personally liked initial d.. it was original.. something new.. a genre of anime of its own.. as for the racing aspect of it.. its great to see they use road racing instead of the usual drag stuff we come to expect of a show,cartoon,movie, etc.. that has to do with cars.. so you have to admit wen u first saw initial d you know it was tight as fugk.. same goes for anyone.. now it seems like people are putting it down and not have anything to do with it just so they dont get associated as a newbie or being associated as someone who drifts because of initial d..

to say initial d WAS a good cartoon? how is it different than it was before? maybe if they made new stages then you can judge on how it WAS a good anime and NOW it sucks.. after each stage it seems like it's just improved.. better cg.. better animation.. cars.. races.. etc.. exactly wat i said above.. on how just because more people are watching it you start hating it and dont wanna have anything to do wit it.. i dont understand?

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

oh and about the 86..

one of the reasons it could be so popular and the hot drift car to buy for newbies is: because its affordable and a good beginner car to start out with.. yea its not the best car.. but wen u get into drifting.. you can wreck your car at anytime.. yea go and buy a silvia, fc, fd etc.. cars more expensive than the hachi.. you wreck it on a drift and thats it.. because the hachi is cheap its not a big loss in their pockets.. and come on.. who would want to ruin a nice fd.. or silvia .. i guess u can put the hachi as the civic for drifting.. until u get more experince to be able to handle better cars..

just my .01

[Gothik*Racer]

hay stop your whining, imagine what its like to drive an eclipse or supra after fast and the furious came out.. ..


G

[Jay]

in the states the AE86 wasnt populer likeit was in JApan..so there arnt a huge number of them..boro hachi/clean hachi...I dont care...just as long as if your into drifting then you know what the hell you talking about or at least willing to learn and not be a dumb ass

I personly think the best starter drift car in the US is the SA22(first gen) RX7 cause there are a shit load of them and there cheep


BTW I like inital D...cool anime. but thats about it its an anime not real life...just like I do enjoy F&F its a movie, not real life!

[k.]

omg the blasphamy!!!!!! to say INITIAL D ISNT THAT GOOD OF AN ANIME! someone shoot me, i have sinned. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


~k.

[Raziel]

IMO the hatchi is ugly and somethign i wouldnt get. I know its a good drift car but still its not for me. Id rather get a FC over that. Hell id kinda rather get a FC over a 240. But again thats just me. All the kids who want the hachi and get them will find out that its not all that great and that the only reason they bought it was because of the movie. Theyll see that they cant do shit w/ it and find that they wasted there money and that they should have just bought that civic instead. Thats just my thought ofcourse this wont apply to everyone who buys a hachi for the wrong reasons. Some might even find themselves totaling the car just trying to drift.

[Raziel]

Originally posted by Gothik*Racer
hay stop your whining, imagine what its like to drive an eclipse or supra after fast and the furious came out.. ..


G

You forgot rx7:( one thing funny about that is my lil cousins from chicago came over and saw my car and they knew it was the car from the F&F. They then asked me where the lil red button was.:eek:

[sunnyluv]

heck i just like the music from initial d =)

[FIRESTARTER]

this is the history of drift as i know it. my father in law (japanese guy, doesnt speak english) explained to me what it came from, since hes been in the car scene here in japan since the late 50's. ppl used to drive their hot rods up in the mountains(touge) and they would try to race up the fucker. sometimes they would unintentionally lose traction. well, in the mountains, that could mean disaster for your car if u dont know what to do to regain traction. it eventually got to where they would intentionally lose traction, then regain it, just for a show. then it evolved to where they would not only regain traction, but control the traction loss to get the car to go and do what they wanted. oh, and just so u guys know, his car was an old mazda sedan with a fucking 10a rotary. i dont know what year it was.it wasnt from the fifties though. it was later. i dont remember his first tuned car. elektrique, is that right?

[Raziel]

Originally posted by FIRESTARTER
this is the history of drift as i know it. my father in law (japanese guy, doesnt speak english) explained to me what it came from, since hes been in the car scene here in japan since the late 50's. ppl used to drive their hot rods up in the mountains(touge) and they would try to race up the fucker. sometimes they would unintentionally lose traction. well, in the mountains, that could mean disaster for your car if u dont know what to do to regain traction. it eventually got to where they would intentionally lose traction, then regain it, just for a show. then it evolved to where they would not only regain traction, but control the traction loss to get the car to go and do what they wanted. oh, and just so u guys know, his car was an old mazda sedan with a fucking 10a rotary. i dont know what year it was.it wasnt from the fifties though. it was later. i dont remember his first tuned car. elektrique, is that right?

I heared samething about how drifting started.

[Dystopia]

ive never seen intial d but there are some people who love it way to much

http://web.pitas.com/project_d/10_12_2001.html

[Wolf]

Originally posted by Dj Elektrique
I don't hate "Initial D", I just hate trend followers and Americans perception with trends.

Which is exactly what I first thought of when I saw this thread. "Another person saying they hate Initial D because all the cool kids say they hate it too" Just like it's cool now to bag on FnF.

[redsil240sxs14]

8 6=hachi rokou
1 7=ichi nana

hehe thats interesting and funny, oh well. i don't have much to say on the hachi cuz i don't care much for it. i am nissan driven. actually i was looking for a 300zx and i settled for 240sx and thas how i got into this scene, and thanks to aren. i wish i could drift but its a lil hard with an auto u know. so if anyone wants to throw in an sr20 for me for free, feel free if u know what u are doing.

oh yeah.. initial d has bad character design, but then again its old school. and did u notice the people all look the same except with different hair, oh besides that weirdo with the fish lips. oh and in the movie they make that rapest boyfriend look like a white guy. interesting. i like initial d but i wouldn't live my life by it. initial d cheats cuz everything is so dark. i'm not crapping on initial d i just nitpick at cartoons and animes cuz thats my job.. no really.. it is.. its homework. okae bye

[DRIFT TENGOKU]

Initial D? Never heard of it.

:D

[gonein10seconds]

dude that is true all tha wannabe racers like intial d.it was good til every wannabe liked it.before they didnt even noe wut a hachi was.man my cousin a a hachi engine thats turbo charged.he sold tha chassis.