F Fs?

[Longroof]

Might be a dumb question but what is a "FF". I just noticed "FFs not welome" under the title and was curious.

[HadesOmega]

Front Engine Front Wheel drive

apparently if you don't have power going to your rear wheels you can't drift, it's a hater thing. I don't know who made that rule up. The majority of drift cars are FR so they think they're the only ones that can drift.

[Wolf]

FR = Front engine, rear drive
MR = Midengine, rear drive (ie: MR2)

[Longroof]

Makes a whole lotta sense now. Thanks. :)

[Imagine]

drift the Vista Cruiser! ;)

[Longroof]

Originally posted by ImagineRacing
drift the Vista Cruiser! ;)

Whatcha think all the Hotchkis suspension is for? :eek: I looks pretty good with the 17s too. ;)

[NaMeLeSsCrX]

You can still drift with a FF. Its called using the e-brake.

[Qstar07]

Originally posted by NaMeLeSsCrX
You can still drift with a FF. Its called using the e-brake.


:rolleyes:

[HadesOmega]

try telling that to anti-FF rich, he'll bust his FF hate crusade uponeth you. I'm glad to see there are FF drifters posting now, maybe we'll get some respect some day at least some decency...

hehe yes the ebrake or as I like to call it the drift lever!

[Rich]

Originally posted by HadesOmega
try telling that to anti-FF rich, he'll bust his FF hate crusade uponeth you. I'm glad to see there are FF drifters posting now, maybe we'll get some respect some day at least some decency...

hehe yes the ebrake or as I like to call it the drift lever!

LOL, keep it up smart guy, I have been pretty easy going on you...so far.

[k.]

Originally posted by NaMeLeSsCrX
You can still drift with a FF. Its called using the e-brake.


go drive an FR for a while and then tell me u can drift FF. =)

~k.

[Silvia S14]

Can you do counter drifts 5 times in a row in a FF? FUCK NO! FF can't drift, cased closed.

[Dj Elektrique]

Originally posted by HadesOmega
Front Engine Front Wheel drive

apparently if you don't have power going to your rear wheels you can't drift, it's a hater thing. I don't know who made that rule up. The majority of drift cars are FR so they think they're the only ones that can drift.
this subject is so old but look at it this way.
Drifting was started in japan as a sport. Its very definition eliminates FF cars from doing it. A drift is controlled by the rear wheels putting power to the ground and keeping on the track/street. When using the ebrake you are only dragging the rear end even if you are under power at the front end. You can notgo through a series of turns with a FF car as fast as a FR can when drifting. FF are excellent for grip circuits so keep thim there in grip style racing for they shine, but for REAL drifting, FF just do not have a place.
If you still think a FF can "drift" then you realkly need to get in a FR car and try drifting it and you will immediatly see the huge difference, or atleast ride along with a really good FR drifter, someone that actually knows how to enter and exit the entire turn drifting, not just powering out of it and kicking the ass end out a bit, thats not drifting either.

btw.. there is a reason it says "FF not welcome"
because you are not welcome!!!! So don't come here filling up the space with stupid posts that will just receive replies of people telling you whats up.

[HadesOmega]

Well FF "ass dragging" isn't fast if you full countersteer. But if you keep counter steer to a minimum it can be just as fast as an FR. Yes I know there is a huge difference in what a FF and FR can do but to me drifting is just getting sidewayz, I could probably bust a 2 chain drift but 5 will probably slow me down too much. Drifting is more for show, well most of the time anyway, there's fast drifting and there's show drifting.

I have ridden in a very good FR drifter car and I've driven a lot of FRs (not for a while though). I got to ride with Battle Swing Alex at Buttonwillow Race Park and it was pretty awesome. Flying through long sweepers sideways is a real trip. He even chain drifted the straights. Even in GT3 I drift the FF cars, but yeah it does slow down when you get really sideways as opposed to a skyline or Silvia.

Regardless I just drift for fun not for contest or speed. I do it because I like it. Even in japan they call it FF drifting. Well whatever it is that I'm doing when I'm getting sideways in my car I'm not going to stop cuz someone sez so. Can't we all just get along? Anyway I didn't post this someone else did so don't snap at me for taking up space.

FF vs FR reminds me of rollerbladers vs skateboarders. They're similar in what they do grinding, aerials, speed but they approach it in different ways. The skateboarders never liked the rollerbladers and the other way around I guess that it's natural for things that do the same thing but do it differently to hate each other.

[Silvia S14]

Originally posted by HadesOmega

Even in japan they call it FF drifting.


So why don't the just call it drifting instead of attaching "FF" to it if it's real drifting? Because it isn't real drifting!

[aives22]

i drifted in my ff last week. and i didn't use the e-brake.
-aives22

[ShadyMilkman]

It seems to me that everyone who is claiming that FF's can drift are saying so simply because they lack the experience of driving a RWD car... Sell your civics and buy a datsun, than say that FF's can drift.

[HadesOmega]

ok then I'll call it drifting. I do plan on getting a FC RX7 sometime in the future though to turn it into a race car. But I heard those aren't good drift cars, well they're hard to drift anyway cuz they grip so well. Gotta love that rotary horsepower to weight ratio!

The eclipse will have to do for now.

[blackSSEi]

Won't work for me...I have a Floor Rear Brake...cannot exactly Drift
with that...you prolly can, but it would be pretty difficult.

[Silvia S14]

You can say a piece of shit smells good all you want, but everyone else will still know otherwise. Go fall off the mountains so that others will not follow the path of ignorance as you have.

[HadesOmega]

What does falling off a mountain have to do with driftng an FF? I don't drift on mountains I ain't that good yet. Do you? I'm not that confident.

Well haha I bet it would work but it'll take A LOT of practice to drift with a foot brake.

[Silvia S14]

From all the shit you spewed you sure make it sound like your a pro. So the truth comes out atlast.

[HadesOmega]

So is all drifting is powerover or powersliding? I was under the impression there were other drift methods like using feint motion to break the backend loose which my setup can do. Or a jump drift, car slid a bit when I hit some of them bumps on highway 9. What about Ebrake drift that doesn't count? I still use the throttle and steering to control the drift. Why on a wet offramp on the freeway I was going like 60 and I heel and toed twice during the turn on the offramp and before I knew it the car was getting sideways because of that massive weight transfer. Scared the hell out of me though. Am I still full of shit because I can't powerover or drift in a circle a gazillion times?

You know what a lot of people ask me after they see my ass dragging. They ask what kind of car it is. They as me if it's AWD. You know what I say "Front Wheel Drive" then they usually get this dumbfounded look on their face and say nice "drifting" they don't say ass dragging. I figure that people see the ugly no sideskirts, no wing, and the RS badge and they'd figure out it's the most base model eclipse you can get. I guess I can take that as a compliment but it kinda pisses me off that people get surprised that it's not an AWD. Heh if anything awd is probably harder to drift.

[shichinobushi]

So, here's what i've gathered from reading this thread. It's only a drift if the wheels that supply the power are slipping, so you -could-drift in an FF but then you'd die by sliding off of a cliff or into a wall or such. Correct?

[HadesOmega]

the way you put it makes it sound about right, if I tried to power over in my car :P

I don't see how the falling off the mountain part comes in though, I mean you could just as well oversteer off a mountain or spin out.... Don't forget when your going downhill the weight shifts to the front and the back will silde out regardless what car you drive if you not careful in a downslopping turn.

Still what your saying is a powerover or powerslide, so do all drifter use powerover? I mean c'mon the Corolla GTS is no powerhouse, it's really hard to power over in an 86 wihtout using other methods like clutch kick or ebrake (bye bye clutch).

[Mr 20Valve]

Originally posted by HadesOmega
I mean c'mon the Corolla GTS is no powerhouse, it's really hard to power over in an 86 wihtout using other methods like clutch kick or ebrake (bye bye clutch).

that was a very stupid thing to say....

you sound like youre trying to tell us youve got some experience driving a Hachi.... somehow i doubt it. (otherwise you wouldnt still be driving an Eclipse :p)

[Imagine]

Originally posted by HadesOmega
You know what a lot of people ask me after they see my ass dragging. They ask what kind of car it is. They as me if it's AWD. You know what I say "Front Wheel Drive" then they usually get this dumbfounded look on their face and say nice "drifting" they don't say ass dragging.

First off, its most likely that the people you ask don't even know what a proper drift is. They probably think that just anything involving tire screeching is considered a drift. Hell, even TJ told you that FF Drifting just isn't drifting.

So, for the 11th, 12th, and 13th time, there is no FF drifting. Stop handing out bad advice.

[Silvia S14]

Originally posted by HadesOmega
So is all drifting is powerover or powersliding? I was under the impression there were other drift methods like using feint motion to break the backend loose which my setup can do. Or a jump drift, car slid a bit when I hit some of them bumps on highway 9. What about Ebrake drift that doesn't count? I still use the throttle and steering to control the drift. Why on a wet offramp on the freeway I was going like 60 and I heel and toed twice during the turn on the offramp and before I knew it the car was getting sideways because of that massive weight transfer. Scared the hell out of me though. Am I still full of shit because I can't powerover or drift in a circle a gazillion times?

Don't even have to say much. Powersliding is not drifting. Thanks for discrediting yourself.


You know what a lot of people ask me after they see my ass dragging. They ask what kind of car it is. They as me if it's AWD. You know what I say "Front Wheel Drive" then they usually get this dumbfounded look on their face and say nice "drifting" they don't say ass dragging. I figure that people see the ugly no sideskirts, no wing, and the RS badge and they'd figure out it's the most base model eclipse you can get. I guess I can take that as a compliment but it kinda pisses me off that people get surprised that it's not an AWD. Heh if anything awd is probably harder to drift.

The fact that they can't tell the different between and AWD or FWD says a lot. So they say it's drifting, what makes them so sure it's drifting? Cuz you got "sidewayz"? They wouldn't know what true drifting is if it bit them in the ass. Because people in the know, know otherwise.

[Dj Elektrique]

Originally posted by HadesOmega
I mean c'mon the Corolla GTS is no powerhouse, it's really hard to power over in an 86 wihtout using other methods like clutch kick or ebrake (bye bye clutch).
WTF?!
dood. You can use all the methods of drifting in any FR car just about. Power? Well, I don't see many stock hachi's drifting for one, but even then, it doesn't take alot of power to drift a hachi, i LEARNED how to drift in my hachi when it was stock! (engine wise)
All I had was a good lsd and suspension on a basically stock motor and it drifted fine. Clutch kick = "bye bye clutch"?! WTF are you talking about? Who in their right mind builds a drift car with a stock clutch? NOBODY. All it takes is a decent aftermarket clutch and it will last a long time. Besides, the lsd does most of the work anyway. When you say "side brake" drifts, well here's news for you, no one actually starts a drift with the ebrake unless they don't know what they are doing. You start by throwing the weight of the car off balance, (feint is what the US calls it), then the ebrake just aids you in control of the drift, you also use normal brakes to set the car. Its not hard to "powerover" as you cal it in a hachi either.. BAH! Stock talking about things you don't know as if you did.

[Mr 20Valve]

*giggle*

:D

[RS13 240SX]

Well, its no use for me to add my 2 cents. Everyone just about said everything. It's not so much that the FF bothers me, its the people who buy FR's and automatically think they can drift because they have a "so called japanese RWD drift car." Or think ALL YOU NEED TO DRIFT IS AN SR20DET. Engine power is not a necessity, more like an accessory(not nearly as important as an LSD or supsension tuning/upgrades). There's this guy from OKI, that lives in Hawaii now that drifts the hell out of his 240sx with the KA24E! Constant connected drifts and he only has suspension mods. Actually, most of the "good" drifters in Hawaii run KA24's Sohcs or Dohcs. I'm not trying to say the the SR20 is a shitty motor, Hell its a great motor to get (TOO MUCH MONEY...). The Ka24 is a fine motor to use for "drifting". Nissan Motorsports USA actually sells many parts for the KA24E, as it was used in the KING CAB for off road racing, trucks race 2. Ka24e's are shitty motors because its a truck motor? That I still don't understand.

I remember a LONG TIME ago when I bought my 240sx, it was easy to find a Corolla GT-S or 240sx for sale. Here in Hawaii NOW its hard to find cheap gT-s' or 240sx or any 240sx on sale for that matter. Now I have a hard time finding spare parts for my car and shit. Oh well, I can't do anything about it. As we cannot do anything about people calling FF ass dragging drifting. It's too bad the FF people don't realize how stupid they look when ass drag. Notice how only FF people think FF ass draggin looks KOOL. Youll almost never hear an FR person saying FF ass draggin looks KOOL, unless they're on crack or something.

[Soarer]

damn ass draggers. i have to wait to put money together for a s13:( till then i cant drift my lex damn auto

http://members.rennlist.com/adamation/fddce177.gif

[Mr 20Valve]

Mudvayne,

that kid on the tricycle is my new hero!!! :D

[Soarer]

me too. i'm currently using my 2yr old nephew as a project and teaching him to drift in his trycicle. hes got the coiunter steer down but i think he just need differednt tires :D

[EskimoBob]

hey i'm a semi-noob to drifting but i've always wondered why they call the rx-7 an fc, can someone please explain? thanx

[Mr 20Valve]

Originally posted by EskimoBob
hey i'm a semi-noob to drifting but i've always wondered why they call the rx-7 an fc, can someone please explain? thanx

FC is part of the model code for that particular generation of RX7... the shape youre referring to is called the 'FC3S'...

the model after that (the one that looks a bit like the Batmobile) is called the 'FD3S'.

[EskimoBob]

aprecaited, thanks man:)

[Mr 20Valve]

aprecaited, thanks man

no probs dude. :)


and for the noobs:

THIS is an FC...

http://www.3rotor.com/images/kane/kane_top.jpg




and THIS is an FD...

http://www.3rotor.com/images/sean/sean_top.jpg

[complex]

Originally posted by Mr 20Valve
and THIS is an FD
Mmmmm... It's as good as porn. :D

[Dj Elektrique]

and this is why the "FC" is used...

Chassis code: or body code, used in Japan to describe each and every car on the road.
Here’s a short list of common cars seen in the japanese world of racing, drifting, circuits, drag racing, and their body codes.
Nissan:
S13/PS13 - Silvia Q's/K's from 89’-93’
CA18DE, CA18DET, SR20DE, SR20DET.
RPS13/RS13 - 180sx from 89’-98’
CA18DE, CA18DET, SR20DE, SR20DET.
S14 - Silvia Q's/K's from 94-98
SR20DE, SR20DET.
S15 - Silvia from 99-present
SR20DE, SR20DET.
R30 - Skyline GTS, GTX, from 81'-85'
L28, FJ20ET, FJ20DET.
R31 - Skyline GTS, GTX, GTSR, from 86'-88'
RB20E, RB20DE, RB20DET, RB20DET-R.
R32 - Skyline GXi,GTE, GTS, GTS-4, GTS25, GTS25T, GTS-T, GTR, from 89’-93’
CA18DE, RB20E, RB20DE, RB20DET, RB25DE, RB25DET, RB26DETT.
R33 - Skyline GTS, GTS4, GTS25, GTS25T, GTR, from 94’-98’?
RB20E, RB25DE, RB25DET, RB26DETT.
R34 - Skyline GTS, GTS25T, GTR, from 99’-01’
RB20DE, RB25DE, RB25DET, RB26DETT
V35 - Skyline V300, V350, from 02’-present
VQ30DE, VQ35DE.
A31 - Cefiro from 88’- 93'
CA18DE, RB20E, RB20DE, RB25DE, RB20DET.
C33 - Laurel from 88’- 93'
CA18DE, RB20E, RB20DE, RB25DE, RB20DET.
C34 - Laurel from 94' -99'
RB20E, RB25DE, RB25DET.
C35 - Laurel from 99'-present
RB20E, RB25DE, RB25DET, RB25DET Neo 6 (280ps)
Y31 - Cima from 89’ - 95
VG30E, VG30DE, VG30DET.
RNN14 - Pulsar GTiR 88'-present
SR20DET.
Z31 - Fairlady Z/300zx from 86'-89'
VG30E, VG30ET, RB20DET.
Z32 - Fairlady 300zx/2+2 from 89'-99'
VG30DE, VG30DETT.
WGNC34 - Stagea from 99'- 01'
RB20E, RB25DE, RB25DET, 260RS RB26DETT.

Toyota:
AE85 - Levin/Treuno, "hachi-go"
3AU.
AE86 - Levin/Treuno, “hachi roku”
4AGE.
AE92 - Levin/Treuno, "kiu-ni" from 87'-91'
4AGE, 4AGZE.
AE101 - Levin/Treuno from 91'-95'
4AGE, 4AFE, 4AGZE.
AE111 - Levin/Treuno from 95'-present
4AGE, 4AFE, 4AGZE.
SW20 - MR2 G-limited, GT from 90'-98'
3SGE, 3SGTE.
JZX90 - Chaser/Mark II/Cresta from 93’ -95
1JZGE, 1JZGTE, 2JZGE.
JZX100 - Chaser/Mark II/Cresta from 96’ - 00’
1JZGE, 1JZGTE, 2JZGE.
JZX110 - Verossa/Mark II from 01’-present
1JZGE, 1JZGTE, 2JZGE.
MZ10/20/70 - Soarer from 81’-92’
1GGE, 1GE, 1GGTE, 1GFE, 1UZFE, 7MGE, 7MGTE.
JZA30/31 - Soarer from 93’-00’
1JZGE, 1JZGTE, 2JZGTE, 1UZFE V8.
MA70/JZA70 - Supra from 86’-92’
7MGE, 7MGTE, 1JZGE, 1JZGTE.
JZA80 - Supra from 93’-present
1JZGE, 1JZGTE, 2JZGE, 2JZGTE.
SXE10 - Altezza from 97’-present
3SGE (Japan), 1JZGE (US)
EP82 - Starlet GT from 89’ -95’
4EFTE.
EP91 - Starlet GT from 95'-present
4EFTE.

Mazda:
FC3S - RX7 from 85’ -91’
13B, 13BT
FD3S - RX7 from 91’ -present
13B-REW

Subaru:
GC8 - Impreza WRX/STi from ??' -99'
EJ20, EJ22.

Mitsubishi:
CN9A/CP9A/CD9A/CE9A? - Lancer Evolution from 91'-present
4G63
??? - GTO/3000GT from 9?' - present
???? engine code

[mixmastatez]

Originally posted by complex

Mmmmm... It's as good as porn. :D

hell yes! much prettier than a porn star- the curves, its ALL about the curves (says the guy in the squarest, pointiest, most straight-lines car ever made;) )

[SupraRacerTT]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by NaMeLeSsCrX
You can still drift with a FF. Its called using the e-brake.
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hahaha i drift using the gears, the clutch ,and very little brake

and if you use the e-brake thats the same as powersliding
oh wait it is powersliding

[lancer_icestrom]

It seems to me that everyone who is claiming that FF's can drift are saying so simply because they lack the experience of driving a RWD car... Sell your civics and buy a datsun, than say that FF's can drift.
-----------------------------
LOL.... YOU HAVE DO IDEA WHAT YOUR ARE TALKING ABOUT. I USE TO OWN A FF AND A RWD. YES THERE ARE DIFFERENCES ON THE WAY YOU DRIFT AND HOW TO HANDLE THE CAR WHILE ON THE DRIFT AND YES IS EASIER TO DRIFT A RWD. BUT LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING HAVE YOU EVER DRIFTED A FF?
MY GUESS IS NO.
I LOVE MY FF UNTIL SOME BASTARD RAN A RED LIGHT AND HIT ME. OH WELL.
BUT IS POSSIBLE. AND IT TAKES MORE SKILL THAM A RWD. SHIT MY 13 YR OLD SISTER CAN DRIFT A RWD.

[S-Type1]

Originally posted by Dj Elektrique
and this is why the "FC" is used...

Chassis code: or body code, used in Japan to describe each and every car on the road.
Here’s a short list of common cars seen in the japanese world of racing, drifting, circuits, drag racing, and their body codes.
Nissan:
S13/PS13 - Silvia Q's/K's from 89’-93’
CA18DE, CA18DET, SR20DE, SR20DET.
RPS13/RS13 - 180sx from 89’-98’
CA18DE, CA18DET, SR20DE, SR20DET.
S14 - Silvia Q's/K's from 94-98
SR20DE, SR20DET.
S15 - Silvia from 99-present
SR20DE, SR20DET.
R30 - Skyline GTS, GTX, from 81'-85'
L28, FJ20ET, FJ20DET.
R31 - Skyline GTS, GTX, GTSR, from 86'-88'
RB20E, RB20DE, RB20DET, RB20DET-R.
R32 - Skyline GXi,GTE, GTS, GTS-4, GTS25, GTS25T, GTS-T, GTR, from 89’-93’
CA18DE, RB20E, RB20DE, RB20DET, RB25DE, RB25DET, RB26DETT.
R33 - Skyline GTS, GTS4, GTS25, GTS25T, GTR, from 94’-98’?
RB20E, RB25DE, RB25DET, RB26DETT.
R34 - Skyline GTS, GTS25T, GTR, from 99’-01’
RB20DE, RB25DE, RB25DET, RB26DETT
V35 - Skyline V300, V350, from 02’-present
VQ30DE, VQ35DE.
A31 - Cefiro from 88’- 93'
CA18DE, RB20E, RB20DE, RB25DE, RB20DET.
C33 - Laurel from 88’- 93'
CA18DE, RB20E, RB20DE, RB25DE, RB20DET.
C34 - Laurel from 94' -99'
RB20E, RB25DE, RB25DET.
C35 - Laurel from 99'-present
RB20E, RB25DE, RB25DET, RB25DET Neo 6 (280ps)
Y31 - Cima from 89’ - 95
VG30E, VG30DE, VG30DET.
RNN14 - Pulsar GTiR 88'-present
SR20DET.
Z31 - Fairlady Z/300zx from 86'-89'
VG30E, VG30ET, RB20DET.
Z32 - Fairlady 300zx/2+2 from 89'-99'
VG30DE, VG30DETT.
WGNC34 - Stagea from 99'- 01'
RB20E, RB25DE, RB25DET, 260RS RB26DETT.

Toyota:
AE85 - Levin/Treuno, "hachi-go"
3AU.
AE86 - Levin/Treuno, “hachi roku”
4AGE.
AE92 - Levin/Treuno, "kiu-ni" from 87'-91'
4AGE, 4AGZE.
AE101 - Levin/Treuno from 91'-95'
4AGE, 4AFE, 4AGZE.
AE111 - Levin/Treuno from 95'-present
4AGE, 4AFE, 4AGZE.
SW20 - MR2 G-limited, GT from 90'-98'
3SGE, 3SGTE.
JZX90 - Chaser/Mark II/Cresta from 93’ -95
1JZGE, 1JZGTE, 2JZGE.
JZX100 - Chaser/Mark II/Cresta from 96’ - 00’
1JZGE, 1JZGTE, 2JZGE.
JZX110 - Verossa/Mark II from 01’-present
1JZGE, 1JZGTE, 2JZGE.
MZ10/20/70 - Soarer from 81’-92’
1GGE, 1GE, 1GGTE, 1GFE, 1UZFE, 7MGE, 7MGTE.
JZA30/31 - Soarer from 93’-00’
1JZGE, 1JZGTE, 2JZGTE, 1UZFE V8.
MA70/JZA70 - Supra from 86’-92’
7MGE, 7MGTE, 1JZGE, 1JZGTE.
JZA80 - Supra from 93’-present
1JZGE, 1JZGTE, 2JZGE, 2JZGTE.
SXE10 - Altezza from 97’-present
3SGE (Japan), 1JZGE (US)
EP82 - Starlet GT from 89’ -95’
4EFTE.
EP91 - Starlet GT from 95'-present
4EFTE.

Mazda:
FC3S - RX7 from 85’ -91’
13B, 13BT
FD3S - RX7 from 91’ -present
13B-REW

Subaru:
GC8 - Impreza WRX/STi from ??' -99'
EJ20, EJ22.

Mitsubishi:
CN9A/CP9A/CD9A/CE9A? - Lancer Evolution from 91'-present
4G63
??? - GTO/3000GT from 9?' - present
???? engine code


hey for the last couple of weeks, i've been driving a 88 200SX SE V6 (VG30E) I dont know too much about the car, but how much of a difference is this motor from the turbo version? is it something i can bolt a turbo onto and expect VG30DET-type power?

[carb0nfiber5]

:haha: :haha: :haha:

i wanna learn more... please... im so lost... LOL

"FF" drifting?!?!... i dunt even think that is called drifting anymore... its DRAGGING DEAD WEIGHT AROUND... they have curcuit racing and grip style races... they probibly feel left out... but i dunno... heh

[DaNoName]

LOL.... YOU HAVE DO IDEA WHAT YOUR ARE TALKING ABOUT. I USE TO OWN A FF AND A RWD. YES THERE ARE DIFFERENCES ON THE WAY YOU DRIFT AND HOW TO HANDLE THE CAR WHILE ON THE DRIFT AND YES IS EASIER TO DRIFT A RWD. BUT LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING HAVE YOU EVER DRIFTED A FF?


right...pulling the e-brake and dragging ass takes alot of skill.:rolleyes: Oh i'd give u the caps lock button picture thing but i don't have it...can some1 help me out here? haha. don't you think it's annoying WHEN PEOPLE ALWAYS TALK LIKE THIS?

[S-Type1]

Originally posted by HadesOmega
So is all drifting is powerover or powersliding? I was under the impression there were other drift methods like using feint motion to break the backend loose which my setup can do. Or a jump drift, car slid a bit when I hit some of them bumps on highway 9. What about Ebrake drift that doesn't count? I still use the throttle and steering to control the drift. Why on a wet offramp on the freeway I was going like 60 and I heel and toed twice during the turn on the offramp and before I knew it the car was getting sideways because of that massive weight transfer. Scared the hell out of me though. Am I still full of shit because I can't powerover or drift in a circle a gazillion times?

You know what a lot of people ask me after they see my ass dragging. They ask what kind of car it is. They as me if it's AWD. You know what I say "Front Wheel Drive" then they usually get this dumbfounded look on their face and say nice "drifting" they don't say ass dragging. I figure that people see the ugly no sideskirts, no wing, and the RS badge and they'd figure out it's the most base model eclipse you can get. I guess I can take that as a compliment but it kinda pisses me off that people get surprised that it's not an AWD. Heh if anything awd is probably harder to drift.




hey, this reminds me...

I was at a party, and i heard about a dumbass ignorant wanna-be 2nd generation FWD eclipse RS "drifter" that goes to De Anza.... saw the car on the side of the road with the hazards on in a cloud of dust off of highway 9...

maybe its someone else, but i was told that dude was a complete dumbass.

[S-Type1]

And now for a serious thought...

what i've experienced from meeting other drivers out there is that alot of drivers are extremely religious about their driving philosophy.:argue: for instance, i'd defend my FWD to the death for what it is and there's really nothing wrong with that.

RWD cars can drift, FWD cars cant... but i think the misunderstanding comes when people associate "sliding" with "drifting". Sliding is something that anything in the world can do... FWDs can slide but that doesnt mean that it's "ass dragging" and RWDs can slide without "drifting".

since "drifting" isnt really defined in the dictionary, people who are unexperienced with a true "drift" have no idea whats going on.

its hard to explain what a real drift feels like... i guess its kinda like explaining what color is to a blind man... but when you do experience a real drift, you wont be askin "was that a drift?" or "they say it looks like a drift" it's more like "THATS A FUCKIN' DRIFT!!".

have fun now. stay safe.:)

[entix]

dude, you drive a fing eclipse rs.

dont those come with like 12" steel wheels?

start fighting battles like 'who gets the best mpg, ff or fr'. reading all this gets anoying.

[Son_of_Bunta]

Originally posted by S-Type1

its hard to explain what a real drift feels like... i guess its kinda like explaining what color is to a blind man...
It's sort of like sex with that fine ass hottie that lived across the street, that you always wanted to nail, but couldn't, because she was always busy washing her hair, or already made plans to hang out with her friends, or she tells you that your tires are too old and you still need to replace your broken strut from the last time you tried to drift and you'll never get out of this god forsaken neighborhood if you don't start saving up and stop wasting all of your damned money on your stupid car and... wait, what are we talking about again?

Steve

[FiestaR]

hmm..... why dont you just let the ff people call it what they want. isnt it all just for fun anyway? i myself have a ff and before you go saying to yourself "this guys a moron" ive also got an 88 e30 bmw with an m40 318i engine.... basically the same as a baseline hachi but german. i know the difference between sliding and drifting and yes there is a big difference between doing it in an ff or an fr but i mean cmon. why does everyone act so childish? theres a million reasons behind why someone has whatever car they have but they should still be able to do what they want with it.

just my 2 cents

also im seeing about maybe trading in my ff and selling the 88 bmw to buy a newer model e30 325i touring which should be fun as hell to drift...... mmmmmmmm 2.5 liter straight 6 :bow:

[Terrorsidic]

Originally posted by FiestaR
hmm..... why dont you just let the ff people call it what they want.
......
why does everyone act so childish? ........

hehe, ill get childish just for u ;)

cos if i wanted to go get an ff n drag my rear tyres around corners then ill go get my bike outta the shed :p

just the same thing aint it?:haha:

[FiestaR]

Originally posted by entix

dont those come with like 12" steel wheels?


my fiesta came with 13's :haha:

Terrorsidic- you turd head im gonna tell my mommy :p but wouldnt a bike be mr? :haha:

[Terrorsidic]

Originally posted by FiestaR
Terrorsidic- you turd head im gonna tell my mommy :p but wouldnt a bike be mr? :haha:

Dont go crying to ur mummeh,
mummeh dont care ;)

[FiestaR]

:haha: :haha: mummeh?

[HellKnight]

Well where would the M in MR come from? I was assuming Terrorsidic was talking about a bicycle since I know he ain't rich enough to own a Motorbike but I could be wrong since he lives on a farm! heh

[FiestaR]

:D mid-pedal rear-drive

[Terrorsidic]

Originally posted by HellKnight
I was assuming Terrorsidic was talking about a bicycle since I know he ain't rich enough to own a Motorbike but I could be wrong since he lives on a farm! heh

ah, i dont live on a farm :confused:

n if i meant motorbike i wouldve said motorbike since it has motor in it... :rolleyes:

(kinda makes sense dont u think for a bike wif a motor in it to be called a motorbike? ;))

[Terrorsidic]

Originally posted by Terrorsidic
cos if i wanted to go get an ff n drag my rear tyres around corners then ill go get my bike outta the shed :p

just the same thing aint it?:haha:

like i said....:haha:
http://www.sromagazine.com/photopost/data/9809fddce177.gif

[ptype]

damm too much shit talking up in here about FF ! damm :bam: :bam:

[Jay]

Thats Half the fun of being in the drifter forum...FF shit talking...

[Rich]

Originally posted by Jay
Thats Half the fun of being in the drifter forum...FF shit talking...

LOL, and from a guy that drives a FF

[Jay]

Yup..and geting another FF so as well!!!

[ridge]

FF drift? right.

I don't consider spinning circles in a parking lot when it is raining and you got your hand brakes all the way up as "drifting".

Drifting is the art of spinning the BACK wheels, to turn before you need to turn, to slow down without slowing down. To slow down (and turn) by accerlating and to accelerate by slowing down.

[GotDriftS14]

heres the bottom line.

at the 240SX convention i video taped Battle Version Alex in a S13 going around the perimeter of the skidpad several times SIDEWAYS while roasting the rear tires and countersteering the whole time.

a front engine front wheel drive car CAN NOT DO THAT. THAT IS DRIFTING. there is NO WAY an FF can do that, no matter how hard you yank on the ebrake. oh and at the same event i video taped a white civic DX 4-door with altezzas trying to do something on the skidpad, and all i saw was him locking up the rear wheels (ebrake) and sliding into a cone and coming to a stop. drifting? i think not.
:bam:
:bam:
:smokin:

[SkylineKid102]

I've been trying to learn about drifting lately and I would like to thank everyone for contributing to this thread. This thread has really helped me have a grip on the concept of drifiting.

Ok, I have a question. Do AWD cars drift better or worse and how does drifiting work with them. Any help is appreicated :D

[Son_of_Bunta]

AWD drifts worse, I would say. This is my understanding of AWD drifting, and if I'm incorrect, by all means, someone fill me in, as I've never drifted a 4 wheel drive vehicle before:

AWD drifting is very sensitive to steering input, rather than throttle control(as with RWD drifting). Fast entry speeds are required, and you have to floor the throttle to maintain the loss of traction throughout the turn. Add to this the fact that most(Probably ALL) AWD cars are tuned for understeer from the factory, and you've got a machine that has more aptitude for drifting than a FWD car, but doesn't come close to the capabilities of a RWD car.

Hope that helps! :) That being said, be careful what you read, not everything is fact in here, and sometimes mistakes are made, so asks questions, if it don't make no sense. Also, check out the picture in the Drifting for Dummies thread. It's awesome, a picture is worth a thousand words.

Steve

[Dilmeet]

i got a type R, wich contains LSD and i've heard from people you can drift with a FF if you have lsd true or false?


:argue:

[N1240SX]

Nope... You still wont be able to drift :rolleyes:

You need RWD to truely drift... Since you have a front transaxle your Limited Slip Gearing is just gonna help you apply your front wheel power to the ground better...

[Dilmeet]

damn, iam trying to get into the drifting seen, whats the cheapest RWD car, how about a corolla Gt-s the old ones how much do those run around and the insurance on them?

[djdorifto]

hah yeh Dil! its 240 man here! Remember me from college?! Heh you probly do. Anyways, don't let that get you down. I seen your Type R bro, and with a L.S.D you can turn that bad boy into one mean Track Racer. I seen this one video clip that talks about Drifting Tequnces. Well in two of these Tecqunces they use a Type R. So really a TypeR can be a nice Track Racer. If you want to see how your car handles come to the SRO Track Event. Its a good way to find out how it performes. I'll be riding my 240 next week to college. Lets meet up again. L8s.

[lil' al]

To me, drifting is just a stylistic way of driving. It has no real use in quick driving. The closest thing to it is when a rally driver will handbrake turn or scandinavian flick his way around a corner because of the unpredictability of the road ahead.

If one knows a road or track well, one would not exceed the capabilities of the tires by letting them slide. Instead, one would push the tires to the limit of their friction circles. Otherwise, one is not accelerating as much as one could be.

That said, some cars, such as the 180SX/Silvia are more commonly drifted because of the nature of the car to step out on a corner. However, this is still not the quickest way to drive. It is just for show. A real driver would keep grip on his tires.

So in conclusion, "drifting" is technically done only in a rear-wheel drive car, but as for practical techniques, the same can be applied in a FF car as well. By the way, the scandanavian flick is my favorite.

[Son_of_Bunta]

Al,
You missed something important about drifting though. It's not just about going sideways. It's about controlling how you go sideways through a corner. You can't really control your oversteer in a FF car(you can iniate it, but you can't create more once in the turn), and hence, you can't really control your slide. Drifting is about controlling your slide. Not in control, not drifting. Make sense? Hope this clears it up. :)

Steve

P.S. Everything else you said is accurate, but nobody said drifting was about going fast either. :p If you read some of ther older threads, you'll find that this has all been covered.

[-=[Shyft]=-]

Originally posted by Mr 20Valve
FC is part of the model code for that particular generation of RX7... the shape youre referring to is called the 'FC3S'...

the model after that (the one that looks a bit like the Batmobile) is called the 'FD3S'.

I noticed the lack of the FB being mentioned in response to that question. Are they THAT obsolete?:eek:

I love my FB....but my project car is an FD :D

[FCSilvia]

Originally posted by aives22
i drifted in my ff last week. and i didn't use the e-brake.
-aives22

bahhaha... then you were probably SEVERELY understeering aka "plowing" which is not drifting.

[FCSilvia]

Originally posted by Son_of_Bunta
AWD drifts worse, I would say. This is my understanding of AWD drifting, and if I'm incorrect, by all means, someone fill me in, as I've never drifted a 4 wheel drive vehicle before:

AWD drifting is very sensitive to steering input, rather than throttle control(as with RWD drifting). Fast entry speeds are required, and you have to floor the throttle to maintain the loss of traction throughout the turn. Add to this the fact that most(Probably ALL) AWD cars are tuned for understeer from the factory, and you've got a machine that has more aptitude for drifting than a FWD car, but doesn't come close to the capabilities of a RWD car.

Hope that helps! :) That being said, be careful what you read, not everything is fact in here, and sometimes mistakes are made, so asks questions, if it don't make no sense. Also, check out the picture in the Drifting for Dummies thread. It's awesome, a picture is worth a thousand words.

Steve

Steve, why didn't you just ask me. You know that I went drifting in a WRX at the track before. But anyways, to confirmed your assumptions. From experience drifting in RWD and AWD, I thought the WRX was a lot easier to drift in. Of course there are factors to consider, when I go in my TII, I'm usually going at lower speeds (30-50mph) but when I was at the track with the WRX, I was at much higher speeds (80-130mph). So drifting with the WRX was much easier at higher speeds. It required less actual technique, meaning if you were to use the feint motion, it requires less feint. But the MAIN difference with AWD and RWD drifting, AWD requires you to keep you gas pedal down. Maybe its just me, but in AWD, I use left-foot braking to control my drifts because my right foot would be on the gas a lot. To take for example, that it how many WRC drivers succeed in racing so well. FF car also use that technique to even out weight transfer on track courses, but since we're talking drifting and AWD, the lef-foot braking technique works well with AWD.

So if you plan to drift in AWD, remember to keep the gas pedal down and not panic. It'll feel awkward and the backend will gently sliding out. Brake lightly and use the throttle to even out weight transfer.

For slower speeds, I'm not too sure about AWD, but I would assume it would be much harder to drift because it would require a lot of power to break loose traction at all four tires.

So at high speeds, AWD is good, and for slower speeds, RWD is better.

Kevin

BTW Shyft. If you're really a rotary guy and know your rx7 well. You should know its NOT called FB. Its SA22. Get it right.

[Dalandlord]

"there is no official drifting dictionary"

You can drift in a FF, and YES i have driven a FR, and Numerous 4wds(still no MR) I have the only FF in out of all my friends and family. (except my uncle who has a mini s)

The thing is FF is much more difficult to drift and the Results look less than stellar to Spectators, but it can still be done.

Most people go with FRs cause they are realatively easier to "Drift" and it looks great on tape of from a spectators point of view.

So instead of trying to eek out a drift from a FF people take MRs and FRs so see who can slide faster, longer, and more spectacularly and because there is no official drifting dictionary i wouldnt be supprised if i reread this thread and see arguments for the kid in the tricycle as to weather he is drifting or powersliding.(AS I RECALL IT WAS POWERSLIDING THAT STARTED THE WHOLE DRIFT THING)

[Dalandlord]

In the Philippines we had local japanese residents teach us what they called "Inertial Drfit", which when explained to me was basicaly a description of power sliding.


Skidding sliding Powersliding drifting. One in the same

[-=[Shyft]=-]

BTW Shyft. If you're really a rotary guy and know your rx7 well. You should know its NOT called FB. Its SA22. Get it right.

duh...you should know then that many 1st gen drivers call their cars FB, just as many maxima drivers call their cars GTR-31. So, lay off, buck.:o

[FCSilvia]

Originally posted by -=[Shyft]=-
duh...you should know then that many 1st gen drivers call their cars FB, just as many maxima drivers call their cars GTR-31. So, lay off, buck.:o

Then I have no clue what kind of 1st gen owners you've been hanging out. Mazda never used "FB" as a code for the 1st gen RX7. It was only a US terminology that was made up god knows where. SA22 is still the correct term and you should try getting a habit of using it.

I'm not hating. I too am a rotary guy and don't like when people ask ot say stupid things.

Example..
I own a 1987 TurboII
people say: "Is it twin turbo?"
"How many pistons does it got?"
"Where's the engine?"

[-=[Shyft]=-]

Originally posted by FCSilvia
It was only a US terminology that was made up god knows where.

Right. It's a pet name, just as the maxima is clearly not a skyline. 'nuff said.

[gsxtreme]

My all powerful and magical Honda can do anything damnit!

[gsxtreme]

lol, it's all just for fun :D

[hateraid]

Originally posted by Dj Elektrique
and this is why the "FC" is used...

Chassis code: or body code, used in Japan to describe each and every car on the road.
Here’s a short list of common cars seen in the japanese world of racing, drifting, circuits, drag racing, and their body codes.
Nissan:


hey you forgot

S30 Fairlady 240-260-280Z ('69-'78)
L24, L26, L28
and
S30zx/S130 Fairlady 280ZX ('79-'83)
L28, L28T

:)

[Love2SPEED!!!]

If you can catch me, I'll pay for the ticket.

K sure i would do this but u got as pontiac bonneville i see your pic of pontiac bonneville and i'm sure somebody there would do this but i would just bet this u wouldn't pay for a ticket! :rolleyes:

[Fast2Seater]

Originally posted by Love2SPEED!!!
If you can catch me, I'll pay for the ticket.

K sure i would do this but u got as pontiac bonneville i see your pic of pontiac bonneville and i'm sure somebody there would do this but i would just bet this u wouldn't pay for a ticket!


1. Why the hell did you bring this back from the dead to spout some useless dribble.

and 2.

[S-Type1]

Originally posted by GotDriftS14
heres the bottom line.

at the 240SX convention i video taped Battle Version Alex in a S13 going around the perimeter of the skidpad several times SIDEWAYS while roasting the rear tires and countersteering the whole time.

THAT IS DRIFTING. there is NO WAY an FF can do that, no matter how hard you yank on the ebrake.

I think the real question is... can YOU do that?

[Dj Elektrique]

Originally posted by S-Type1
I think the real question is... can YOU do that?
Why yes... I CAN do that.

[S-Type1]

Originally posted by Dj Elektrique
Why yes... I CAN do that.

Does the SN "GotDriftS14" belong to you?

[walkingonice]

is a 96 or97 honda accord a ff?

[Sprinter Trueno]

Originally posted by walkingonice
is a 96 or97 honda accord a ff?

Say Whaaattt?

[gsxtreme]

Originally posted by walkingonice
is a 96 or97 honda accord a ff?

Front mounted engine, Front wheel drive.

[proberacer]

i drive ff cars, and i can drift i just have to do it backwards, fr's can't do that

[Jay]

Dam aint this thing dead yet?

[EastBayRacer]

Originally posted by HadesOmega

FF vs FR reminds me of rollerbladers vs skateboarders. They're similar in what they do grinding, aerials, speed but they approach it in different ways. The skateboarders never liked the rollerbladers and the other way around I guess that it's natural for things that do the same thing but do it differently to hate each other.

no, rollerbladers are just down right gay. never seen a skateboarder wearing spandex skating on the pier and shit. fruity boots. fuck a rollerblade.


indy indy indy indy indy

oh and just in case you're wondering i was a sponsored skateboarder. nollie-flip bsts kickflip to fakie biatch!

[FCSilvia]

who is the freakin idiot who keeps digging this dumb thread up? can a mod kill it already!

[gsxtreme]

Originally posted by EastBayRacer
no, rollerbladers are just down right gay. never seen a skateboarder wearing spandex skating on the pier and shit. fruity boots. fuck a rollerblade.


indy indy indy indy indy

oh and just in case you're wondering i was a sponsored skateboarder. nollie-flip bsts kickflip to fakie biatch!

You deserve a cookie!

[S-Type1]

people have opinions on FF in this forum. its interestesting and there's lots of discussion going on. so why kill it?

-FF

[legi0n]

First thing's first, front wheel drives suck, I've had plently of them and I hate the feeling of draggin your own ass around. But on the other hand you morons who say that drifting is a complete impossibility in an FF are also stupid. If you can't do a little drifting in an FF then you just don't know how to drive good enough ;) (go practice) But one good point is that although you can drift a little in FF cars, it's nowhere as near as fun as in an FR.

[LOSTCAUSE]

First thing's first, front wheel drives suck, I've had plently of them and I hate the feeling of draggin your own ass around. But on the other hand you morons who say that drifting is a complete impossibility in an FF are also stupid. If you can't do a little drifting in an FF then you just don't know how to drive good enough ;) (go practice) But one good point is that although you can drift a little in FF cars, it's nowhere as near as fun as in an FR.


u bring back a six month old thread back from the dead to state u hate FFs and u can drift a FF? OMFG.

EDIT>>
But on the other hand you morons who say that drifting is a complete impossibility in an FF are also stupid.

i am offend. bust out the ban stick.

ibtb

[k.]

why couldnt you people let this thread die?

and FYI: today, you still cant drift FF...!

this comming from someone who owned both FF and FR.

have a nice day!

~k.