Got LSD????

[max_misawa]

Ha ha cool I droped my non-LSD rear on my AE86 hatch today.
It wasnt so hard.
bust the wheels, brake calipers, and the drive shaft.
Un-bolt panhard bar, brakes, 4 link, and shocks.
Takes 90 minutes or so to drop it if you take ure time.
and about 10 mintues to put it back up.
I woulda put the LSD rear end up in my car today but i am gonna sand blast it tommorow and put a fresh coat of black on it :)


Max

[Tanker]

and this will help how?

I was under the impression that a LSD was vital in drifting, to keep the rear wheels going at the same speed?


or does this have any thing to do with drifting?

[Raziel]

i Think he ment he needs LSD.

[max_misawa]

OK ill go back to the begining.
I have an AE86 beater... paid $100.
It is non-LSD model AE86.
I took the LSD off today from carX.
I put my open diff on carX.
My $100 car has no rear end anymore, carX rear end is going to go on my car since it is an LSD rear end.
I am going to sandblast said rear end.
After sandblast and paint is complete i will put said rear end in the $100 car.
You dont have to have LSD to drift.
I drift with out it and not so bad i might add.
LSD makes drifts easier to control.

Max

[pr0ject TRUENO]

and lets you rocket out of those corners when autocrossing

[atomicbomberman]

or in an FF car LSD will absolutely makes your car go where you point, elimated any type of unpredictablily.

[Rich]

As this is a forum for "Drifting" we don't drive ass draggers, so I guess that would be of no concern to us... would it?

[XiaoMing]

:p
get out atomic! you're not welcome here!:D

[FiveSpeedIntegra]

Originally posted by atomicbomberman
or in an FF...elimated any type of unpredictablily.

that's a BIG statement...you can still understeer...it's FF....

[max_misawa]

Put the LSD into my car today.
It was so easy :)
only like 8 bolts the the brakes.
bled the brakes
no it ready to roll.
striat to the mechanics shop lol.

Max

[Rich]

I got that silver hatch from the guy that posted on club4ag, talked him down to $300 :) It's a 283 car!!!

[max_misawa]

Damn dude $300 AE86 With LSD WOW.
What kinda shpae is it in?

Max

[LilBoiBlu]

Hahahaha, i was reading this when my girlfriend walked in, and she saw the "got LSD?"...she thought i was buying drugs or something.

[max_misawa]

tell ure woman "bounce to this cause i got an ounce of this
ding ding ding ahh ring a ding"
hahahhaha lol

Max

[Black Komet]

i got question. was it the gts models that had the LSD stock 85 to 87?

[Rich]

Originally posted by Black Komet
i got question. was it the gts models that had the LSD stock 85 to 87?

yes, but only in the 283 cars. You can tell by the underhood plate if it still has the stock rear end. 282 is a open diff, 283 is LSD.
Click the link, and you will see the plate that tells you if it's a LSD car or not.

http://corprin.streetracing.org/cgi-bin/i/hachi/IMAGE1b.jpg
http://corprin.streetracing.org/cgi-bin/i/hachi/IMAGE2b.jpg

[Ritz S14]

I was reading my Toyota manual and it said that if your axle code ends in either a "3" or a "5" your car should be equipped with LSD straight from the factory. I'm sure this would apply to all Toyotas. Mine, unfortunately ends in a "2".:(

[Black Komet]

thanx rich.

[gsxtreme]

i want an AE86 beater :)

[max_misawa]

i got 2 AE86 beaters today :)
they will be for sale in a few weeks when the paperwork clears.
both 1985 both coupes.
one is brown/black the other is faded bluegrish color.
i will check for LSD tommorow.

Max

[Ritz S14]

Alright. I have an open differential, because I only seem to be pulling one leggers. And my LSD that I ordered should be arriving in a couple of weeks or so. So once I have the LSD in, what should I expect the outcome to be? How different would it be hitting a corner, at normal speeds vs. high speeds?

[max_misawa]

ok the gear ratios for open diff and LSD are the same so your car will not go faster but you will get tracktion faster if your driving in a straight line.
when driftting the LSD makes sure that both rear tires are spinning at the same speed (Good).
the first time i drifted with LSD it felt like the rear end was on butter like real smooth but the steering of the front tires was still there.
GREAT FUN

Max

[Ritz S14]

Let me get this straight.

A Limited Slip Differential's purpose is to lock both wheels while the car is in motion. This helps a car perform better while drifting through a turn, because both wheels are spinning at the same time. Which makes your car reactes better to the turn at high speeds because it pretty much gives you a sharper turn enabling it to make you drift easier.

A Open Differential's purpose is 'unlock' one drive while while turning because it will give you a smoother turn because only one wheel will be spinning, but the 'locked' wheel will be turning at twice the amount of speed because of the differetial will convert the torq to the wheel that is opposite of the corner being turned. Which will give you a smoother turn durning 'normal' driving conditions.

This is my understanding of LSD vs Open Diff.

While your car is traveling in a straighward motion, does LSD vs Open Diff. Do anything for your car? Or is it just there when you need it in turns?

[HadesOmega]

hmm well what I know is that LSD (also called a 2 legger) will make your drifts longer and faster because the car will have more of a tendancy to pull forward. For a 1 legger it tends to want to go more sideways and slows down a lot more when you drift cuz you basically dragging the other wheel.

I drove a non-LSD and a LSD 86 yesterday and my impression is that the line while cornering at the limit is how should I saw smoother and gentler, or it had better traction. the non LSD was kinda jerky in the turns, more of a point and shoot type of thing. hard to explain...

Try drifting in GT3 with LSD and you'll notice the difference, LSD you can keep on the gas and the drift will take a wider line. 1 Legger it will just go sideway. haha or
1 legger = L looking drift line
2 Legger = J looking Drfit line (flip the J around and point it 90 degrees)

For FF I have no idea how it reacts I really wanna try drifting a Type R or something FF with a LSD no chance....

[max_misawa]

yeah play GT3 to learn how to drift hahahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahah
maybe if you are in 6th grade sukka.
LSD works great for straight line you regian tracktion faster that an open diff.
while you are in a slide, drift etc the V LSD will make sure that both rear tires are going the same speed which = more control
and closely the same amout of traction or loss of it (i think).

Max

[Ritz S14]

Are there any real disadvantages to LSD?

[HadesOmega]

Well I'm just saying if you wanna see LSD worx without having to drive a real 2 legger try it in GT3. Buy a LSD for the car and see how differently it handles. It makes it feel kinda like an AWD since it's got more traction.

I don't see any big disadvantages to LSD, just that the car will handle differently so you have to adjust and it I guess it costs more cuz you usually see them on really highend cars like Type R, Corolla GTS, SE-R, J30. You can keep on the throttle longer also without slowing down as much.

Heh if you in the junkyard or a car is a jack a way you can tell it has LSD is to spin the wheels by hand and if the wheel on the other side moves in the opposite direction its open diff and if it spins in the same direction its got LSD. (with a buddy or mirror on the other side of course :P )

[Ritz S14]

I just bought a LSD for 53 bucks from ebay(I believe it came off of a MKIII Supra). It has new sleves and shims. I hope I got my moneys worth. What do you guys think? It says LSD type fluid, so I'm assuming 80w90? or 85w90? which is better of a LSD?

[mixmastatez]

Originally posted by max_misawa
I have an AE86 beater... paid $100.
It is non-LSD model AE86.
damn. for a beat-up AE86 with a blown head gasket i would have had to pay around $2500. for a half-decent hachi it costs about $5000. for a good hachi with LSD you're looking at $6-8000!!!
in USD:
$2500nz=$1100US
$5000nz=$2200US
$8000nz=$3500US
damn:(

[Rich]

Originally posted by mixmastatez

damn. for a beat-up AE86 with a blown head gasket i would have had to pay around $2500. for a half-decent hachi it costs about $5000. for a good hachi with LSD you're looking at $6-8000!!!
in USD:
$2500nz=$1100US
$5000nz=$2200US
$8000nz=$3500US
damn:(

SHIT!!!

I bought my Blue car with out the LSD for $500usd
I bought the silver car, with LSD for $300usd and a spun bearing.

[pakisho]

my sho currently has an open wheel diff (non-lsd). ive got the lsd sitting in the garage, but am waiting on the install.

on an ff, a non lsd is a botch pulling out of corners, because you will spin the tire with the least traction. pulling out of a corner on the throttle is a nightmare. you have to wait until youre in a straight line more or less before you can apply the gas. the more powerful the car, the more pronounced the problem.


the lsd works wonders on the sho. ive driven one. powering out of a corner is a whole new ball game. you can actually use the throttle to just whip the nose of the car around. a u turn at high, steady throttle happens so fast its unbelievable. even on a straight launch, the lsd helps on traction and in getting the car to hook up.

anyway, just some input.

[HadesOmega]

Cool heh yeah I plan on getting LSD one day for the Eclipse it just so damn expensive for FF cars. It's either the LSD or AWD conversion (which has not been perfected for RS/GS eclipses) for my ultimate mod. At least the LSD will be cheaper than the turbo kit :P

I've seen decent 86s for say around 2000. 86s are beginning to be hard to find around the Bay Area and everyone is looking for parts. One of my friends got a red one power everything, AC, Cruise control, and LSD for around 3700 I think. Another friend got his for 2700 no LSD or power anything but it had AC. My cousin just bought a blue coupe for 1500 and it has LSD, I have yet to see it though. So you can get an 86 for pretty much any price, just finding it is the hard part.

[Rich]

I just love it when people brag about what They DON'T have. "I'ma going to get this, my ____ has this" Nobody gives a fuck what you DON'T have.

[Ritz S14]

Originally posted by HadesOmega
hmm well what I know is that LSD (also called a 2 legger) will make your drifts longer and faster because the car will have more of a tendancy to pull forward. For a 1 legger it tends to want to go more sideways and slows down a lot more when you drift cuz you basically dragging the other wheel.

I drove a non-LSD and a LSD 86 yesterday and my impression is that the line while cornering at the limit is how should I saw smoother and gentler, or it had better traction. the non LSD was kinda jerky in the turns, more of a point and shoot type of thing. hard to explain

Well I'm just saying if you wanna see LSD worx without having to drive a real 2 legger try it in GT3. Buy a LSD for the car and see how differently it handles. It makes it feel kinda like an AWD since it's got more traction.

I don't see any big disadvantages to LSD, just that the car will handle differently so you have to adjust and it I guess it costs more cuz you usually see them on really highend cars like Type R, Corolla GTS, SE-R, J30. You can keep on the throttle longer also without slowing down as


I don't know about this guy, he awfully speaks of GT3 a lot. It seems as if your drift expereince(s) are based on GT3. As for my open diff. it handles pretty good around corners, and I don't even see a bit of 'jerkiness' at all. But ofcourse I could be wrong about this, seeing that I have not just yet drivin a car with LSD, or maybe I have but I just didn't notice.

Having a LSD put in to a car with out one, makes it handle like a 4WD car? Um I wouldn't think so, because in this case all of your wheels are 'drive' wheels making it more difficult, because all wheels have more weight on it giving you a hellof a lot better traction when hitting corners => making it more difficult to drift.

As for installing an LSD, estimated time is four hours. Recommend gear oil is 80w90. I'm trying to do as much research as I can before I begin the process of tearing my diff. apart. Any Tips. Feel free to let me know. Thanks! BTW I have my own shop (with my pops) if anyone is willing to help me out one one of these Sundays, hit me up.

[max_misawa]

dude you own a shop?
or ure pops does, ehh well anyways hook it up LOL.
Lsd rear end is an easy install you just have to have some drift pins to get the bolts in for the 4 link.

Max

[max_misawa]

dude you own a shop?
or ure pops does, ehh well anyways hook it up LOL.
Lsd rear end is an easy install you just have to have some drift pins to get the bolts in for the 4 link.

Max

[Mr 20Valve]

Originally posted by HadesOmega
Well I'm just saying if you wanna see LSD worx without having to drive a real 2 legger try it in GT3. Buy a LSD for the car and see how differently it handles. It makes it feel kinda like an AWD since it's got more traction.



jesus dude!

how old are you!?!??!? :eek:

its a f**king video game for Christs sake!!!!!


WTF????!?!?!!

[Ritz S14]

Originally posted by max_misawa
dude you own a shop?
or ure pops does, ehh well anyways hook it up LOL.
Lsd rear end is an easy install you just have to have some drift pins to get the bolts in for the 4 link.

Max

Well, my pops owns the shop. I should finish my automotive degree at the end of next fall. Then I'll be pretty much running the shop until the lease runs out, and relocate from there.

Drift pins? And these are? I heard that I also had to change the bearings, cause they usually get damaged from removal.

Hook ups? Haha. The only things we stock are pretty much stock parts. But we do order other OEM/OEM quality parts though. The only performance shop that we get wholesale is Vic Hubbards. As for their wholesale performance prices, you are saving a whopping $10. Everything that buy mostly comes from Ebay.

[Ritz S14]

I finally recieved my LSD. At least I think it is LSD. By just looking at it, how can I determine that it is really an LSD instead of an open diff? I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking at, but all the teeth look straight, and all the bearings looks great as well. Shipping costed me 30 some odd dollars to ship it from Texas. Now I can see why. Shit weighs like 30-40lbs. Any tips for installation will be great. http://abacus.sj.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_3a3f8becc9bf42fe25e3d596/i-1_B.JPG