Shits me to tears....

[Mr 20Valve]

What shits me, you ask???

the word "drift" being thrown around left & right, like everyone knows what the f**k they're talking about... ;[

it seems like (here in Australia at least) that its the hottest word on everyones lips....

every kid's "drifting" through intersections, "drifting" through corners, "drifting" around roundabouts.....

im getting a little sick of hearing the word "drift"...

all these goons can do is jerk the wheel halfway through a corner under hard acceleration & step the rear end out & try to control it in mommy or daddy's old RWD Ford or Holden or some shit.

if only these peckerheads knew what REAL drift was....

if only they knew what it was like to jump all the weight off the left side of the car, then jerk it back towards the apex, getting the ass out & starting to countersteer.... BEFORE THE CORNER! then being able to hold that muthafukka through the bend, keeping a constant angle with the throttle & steering wheel.

master the art before you can claim to drift...

its a lot harder to do than what everyone thinks...

it takes a LOT of balls to pull off right & a LOT of skill.

CAN YOU DRIFT??????

[Mr 20Valve]

sorry about the rant by the way...

theres just this asseater here at work who keeps getting in my ear about how he's such a mad "drifter", blah blah blah

i tell ya, if this guy tried real drifting, hed be into a gutter so fast, his heaad would spin around & lightning bolts would shoot out his asshole....

[Wolf]

I can powerslide. :D
I've only been able to do 4-wheel drifts twice so far, but both were pretty much unintentional (didn't think the front end would slide) and the street was wet.

[ryans]

Yup, most of us do powerslides, but over time I think drifting shall be learned! I'm at the point now I'm going pretty fast hard on the accelerator (spelling) that going around the turn all four wheels are sliding. This forum was created so we can give each other pointers and talk about upcoming events.

[sil80 drift]

yo Mr 20Valve your co-worker sounds like a loser at least thats how i see people who popularize the term drift. the good thing bout where i am is most of my friends don't know what drifting is so they never use the term and the ones that r into street racing and all that r beginning to start using it which is kinda pissing me off cause they really don't know what they're talking about my advise to u is bitch slap your co-worker and tell him to shut-up

[XiaoMing]

hhmm.. it's hard to break traction, can anyone gimme hints?
all i kno is that oversteer occurs a bit after the front of the car turns, unlike understeer, which can occur right when the car's told to turn

[Raziel]

Originally posted by XiaoMing
hhmm.. it's hard to break traction, can anyone gimme hints?
all i kno is that oversteer occurs a bit after the front of the car turns, unlike understeer, which can occur right when the car's told to turn

Right now im tryin to get used to losing traction before i get to the turn. Den ill work on the drifing part. :)

[Chris B16A]

what kind of settings on my GT3 do i need to do to drift? turn off TCS? what about spring rates and such? :D

[XiaoMing]

haha ty, i'll try that (when i grow some bigger balls:D )

[Fast2Seater]

Originally posted by Mr 20Valve

CAN YOU DRIFT??????

No, not really. Its more of a glorified fishtail :)

[Fast2Seater]

Sorry....double post.

[Distinct Blur]

Well said, a quality rant.
I'm in agreement, I only wish I could actually drift with any sort of skill. I've only successfully pulled it off once, and I wasn't prepared for it, that's for sure. Shitty e-brake turns, powerslides and spinouts abound, the true drift is rare and beautiful.

[Imagine]

Originally posted by Distinct Blur
Well said, a quality rant.

I second that. Its kinda sickening to have more people "jump on the bandwagon" for the WRONG reasons.

[XiaoMing]

:eek: drifting bandwagon?:eek:
i'm in band... i played oregn trail, and it had wagons! ... *HOPS ONTO BANDWAGON* YAY:D

[Steeda'd GT]

BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

He said Oregon trail!!!!!

BAHWAHAHAHAHA!

I used to play that in my gifted class in the 4th grade, in 1985.

damn I feel old now.:(

[spinnin]

Definately not an easy thing to do but if you have the right car with the right set up and the right ppl to teach you it can be achieved...My tip would to read up on it as much as you can , watch as many videos as you can and if at all possible get a person who is experienced with drifting to give you lessons...not much harm can be done in practising in parking lots or on the docks.....and it pisses me off when ppl think drifting is just loosing traction through one corner...it's not!!! drifting is taking ur car sideways through multiple corners with no to little traction...

[Mr 20Valve]

cool.

im glad you guys understood what i was talking about... :D

im definatley not claiming to be a "master of drift" or anything of the sort...

there is a grand total of 3 corners that i can properly "drift" through.... thats it. 3. theyre right near my house too...

i know these 3 corners like the back of my hand, and they are the only corners that i will even attempt to drift through while on city streets....

it takes a hell of a lot of practice & pretty big balls (if i do say so myself :D) to be able do "drift". i nearly shit myself the first time i drifted through a corner! it takes a bit of dedication to be able to keep slugging at your drift corners until you can pull it off right. (just watch out for them gutters!!!)

the racetrack on the other hand, is a different matter entirely.

wide grass/dirt runoffs, enough room so that you wont plow into the wall after spinning off the track & NO GUTTERS! :D



*i just wish there was some way of mass-educating all these kids who are "drifting" around all over their minds.....*

[XiaoMing]

yea, as soon as i FIND a damn drift corner :P

[Raziel]

Originally posted by XiaoMing
yea, as soon as i FIND a damn drift corner :P

same problem i have.

[Mr 20Valve]

how come it so hard to find a nice corner????

[Raziel]

Originally posted by Mr 20Valve
how come it so hard to find a nice corner????

In my area ders too many cars around. also the roads arent really dat big.

[TEAM1-crx]

are there any type of school that teach how to drift? somewhere in socal maybe?... if so... where?

[Dj Elektrique]

repeat it over and over again.. practice - location

2 important things. After toying around on various roads, gripping in the mountains and occasionally getting the ass end loose and "powering out" of a turn, I hit a "gymkhana" event which is much like Auto-X. This took my drifting skill level from 2 to 8 on a scale of 1-20.
If you don't have AutoX in your area that allows drifting, then this is what I HIGHLY suggest.
Find a very very large parking lot (preffereably not used anymore) with plenty of run off space and no polls or hard objects in the way. This takes away the "fear of crashing" factor, therefore requiring smaller "balls" as some of you refer to it.
Buy, borrow, steal, some cones, you know like the DOT road workers use, if that doesn't work, go get a bunch of cardboard boxes and spray paint them and weight them down somehow. I guess milk jugs would work too if SLIGHTLY filled with some water.

Set out a course, actually set up a single left hand turn, and then a right hand turn, depending on how many cones.
You don't have to have 10,000 cones and space them 6 feet apart, you can make a turn with 5 cones, just as long as you understand what the turn is. Also, don't put cones on the outside of the turn, put the cones on the INSIDE of the turn.

Then... practice! I suggest doing 2nd gear drifts, after all, most drifting is 2nd and 3rd gear anyway. 1st gear is a bit high strung unless you make a very tight course.
Drive around the turn gripping it as fast as you can while driving a good line and staying close to the cones. Then you will get used to the radius of the turn, once adjusted, you can start to practice getting your traction loose in the rear end, then later both front and rear traction loss.
I suggest using "shit" tires for the rear, 14"s or 15"s (more power, more diameter) and use good traction tires in the front. Try to stick with the same size front/rear.
I run 215/45/17 front and rear, Using Falken Azenis ST115 up front and soon to be back, they have awesome traction. Don't try and use good traction tires in the rear until you really get the basics down, contrary to most peoples thinking, traction is good.

To get this "magical" parking lot, i would suggest doing what my brother did. First, go find some, make a list of adress/owners/contact info, operating times etc. Contact the owners if possible, ask what days not in use or if you coudl use the parking lot for a day time Hobby meeting place. He didn't say "we gonna be driftin' round' yer parkin' lot sir rasin' all kinds a hell". He simply asked if he could use the space for his "club" to meet on a certain day of the month and promised to keep it clean and not cause any trouble, he gave the owner all his personal info as to instill trust and a secure feeling, (if something gets messed up the owner wants to know who to talk to)
I suggest, docks, ports, industrial parking lots, etc.
Now of course there is also the "not having permission" way of doing it but I don't suggest that.
If you have permission, bring the contact info of the person who gave you permission with you when you go to practice.
Make up some signs, place it at all entrances saying "private event in progress, do not enter!" or something like that.
Be safe, park far away from the action and stand far away.
Bring alot of tools, tow rope, extra wheels/tires, jacks, etc Someone is likely to break something or go through some tires, so be prepared. Be responsible, do it right, don't be "that guy" on Fast&theFruitiest, wanna be a REAL drifter? Don't be a punk ass.

Good Luck!

[Raziel]

Originally posted by Dj Elektrique
repeat it over and over again.. practice - location

2 important things. After toying around on various roads, gripping in the mountains and occasionally getting the ass end loose and "powering out" of a turn, I hit a "gymkhana" event which is much like Auto-X. This took my drifting skill level from 2 to 8 on a scale of 1-20.
If you don't have AutoX in your area that allows drifting, then this is what I HIGHLY suggest.
Find a very very large parking lot (preffereably not used anymore) with plenty of run off space and no polls or hard objects in the way. This takes away the "fear of crashing" factor, therefore requiring smaller "balls" as some of you refer to it.
Buy, borrow, steal, some cones, you know like the DOT road workers use, if that doesn't work, go get a bunch of cardboard boxes and spray paint them and weight them down somehow. I guess milk jugs would work too if SLIGHTLY filled with some water.

Set out a course, actually set up a single left hand turn, and then a right hand turn, depending on how many cones.
You don't have to have 10,000 cones and space them 6 feet apart, you can make a turn with 5 cones, just as long as you understand what the turn is. Also, don't put cones on the outside of the turn, put the cones on the INSIDE of the turn.

Then... practice! I suggest doing 2nd gear drifts, after all, most drifting is 2nd and 3rd gear anyway. 1st gear is a bit high strung unless you make a very tight course.
Drive around the turn gripping it as fast as you can while driving a good line and staying close to the cones. Then you will get used to the radius of the turn, once adjusted, you can start to practice getting your traction loose in the rear end, then later both front and rear traction loss.
I suggest using "shit" tires for the rear, 14"s or 15"s (more power, more diameter) and use good traction tires in the front. Try to stick with the same size front/rear.
I run 215/45/17 front and rear, Using Falken Azenis ST115 up front and soon to be back, they have awesome traction. Don't try and use good traction tires in the rear until you really get the basics down, contrary to most peoples thinking, traction is good.

To get this "magical" parking lot, i would suggest doing what my brother did. First, go find some, make a list of adress/owners/contact info, operating times etc. Contact the owners if possible, ask what days not in use or if you coudl use the parking lot for a day time Hobby meeting place. He didn't say "we gonna be driftin' round' yer parkin' lot sir rasin' all kinds a hell". He simply asked if he could use the space for his "club" to meet on a certain day of the month and promised to keep it clean and not cause any trouble, he gave the owner all his personal info as to instill trust and a secure feeling, (if something gets messed up the owner wants to know who to talk to)
I suggest, docks, ports, industrial parking lots, etc.
Now of course there is also the "not having permission" way of doing it but I don't suggest that.
If you have permission, bring the contact info of the person who gave you permission with you when you go to practice.
Make up some signs, place it at all entrances saying "private event in progress, do not enter!" or something like that.
Be safe, park far away from the action and stand far away.
Bring alot of tools, tow rope, extra wheels/tires, jacks, etc Someone is likely to break something or go through some tires, so be prepared. Be responsible, do it right, don't be "that guy" on Fast&theFruitiest, wanna be a REAL drifter? Don't be a punk ass.

Good Luck!

Nice post.

[Mr 20Valve]

Yes, very nice post. :)

[Mr 20Valve]

Dj Elektrique,

That idea about getting the permission of the carpark owner is pretty top-notch... i never thought of that. Your brother never got fucked up by cops or anyone?

the problem here in Oz is that if the cops catch you drifting, theyve got the right to impound your car for 3 months, on top of a $1000-odd dollar fine!!!!

thast sort of why i just keep it to my local area (which is next to an idustrial zone)... less chance of some dudley-do-right coming along & spoiling my practice sessions...


**mental note to self -make friends with a parking lot owner-** :D

[Dj Elektrique]

well I thought the idea up one time sitting in a parking lot overlooking Yokohama Bay, so I told my brother. He tryed it, and found a church parking lot near an industrial area.
They blocked off the entrance to the lot with a big wooden sign and had the bright cones placed throughout the lot, luckily this lot was behind the big church so no one really can see it all from the street which wasn't busy either.

As long as they have permission to be on private property then cops can not say anything. A local cop did drive up one time but he saw the sign and cones and one car doing the run and everyone else watching from the side and he didn't say anything bad, but acted interested instead.

Afterwards you walk the track area and pick up ALL debris, tire boogers, tread, trash, leave the place cleaner then you found it, the owner will stay happy. Its worth "legal" practice runs.

[Mr 20Valve]

Mike,

thanks for the advice man... :D

ill have to keep my eyes peeled now for some parking lots....

i was kinda getting tired of cop-paranoia from drifting on the streets anyway...







youre my new hero... :p



-Haydn

(MR 20V)

[complex]

I drifted a couple times... Of course, that was on a dirt road. Go go rally 240! :D I've tried sliding around a bit on pavement, and I suck at it. I've kicked the ass out a few times, but not really before a corner, and usually I end up fishtailing.

Maybe in a few years I'll be able to do a real drift...

[TEAM1-crx]

that parking lot thing is a grat idea... but, wont the owner complain about all the tire marks you will be leaving behind? and wont all that screeching(<--spelling) noise attrack unwanted attention(cops)? and one last question... if you have permission to use the parking lot, will cops be able to do anything about it? even if you are seen drifting on it?
just a few questions before i try it... :D Plus, there's really nothing around my area with a big enough parking lot other than a Ralphs or sav-on... and i doubt that they would allow this.

[max_misawa]

yes what DJ posted is the best bet.
If the parking lot is closed to the public that means no hazard to other motorists.
and if it is on private property the police cant do anything.
the owner has to press charges before they can take action.
to avoid the tire marks try a nice thin layer of water.
with water you will not have to go as fast to start a drift.
In san jose there is the berryessa flea market.
My brother is friends with the owners kids but he has not seen them in a while.
and the flea market is closed on mondays,tuesdays and wednesdays i belive.
If i ever got around to it they might alow say um 15 people or so drift in thier lot, but maybe not because they have those white parking lines everywhere.

Max

[Mr 20Valve]

finally got all the episodes of Initial D on VCD yesterday from a friend....

ill have to watch the thing now to see what all the fuss is about huh?? ;) (yes, thats right! i own a Hachi & ive never seen Initial D!! can you beleive it??? :D)

[XiaoMing]

now THAT shits ME to tears:p

[Mr 20Valve]

ditto...

how many times have you seen this kind of post:

"Hi, im new here.

I want to know where i can buy an AE-86 for drifting.

ive been watching every single episode of Initial D and i can drift like Takumi.

can some one sell me an AE-86 for $200, because im still at junior high school & i really want an AE-86 to impress all my buddies with how i can drift.

thanks.

Little Jimmy (AKA Takumi)"


:D


sound familiar???? :D

[XiaoMing]

haha dude, i was at this lan party
and my fucking faggot poser "friend" says "hey, guess how many hachi roku's i saw today, TEN!"
nobody gave a fuck... but apparently he was proud:D

[mptmvp]

does anybody out there have any ra6x's? or any other reaaaaaaar wheel drive celicas they use for dirfting? i gotta 84 gt-s. its all right..no fc but its cool got the supra rear end which means lsd.. i cant drift... i can get the ass out and face the curb and then swing it back in.. dont know if thats drifting.. never seen anybody do it for real except for videos. 707 is where i live anybody else out here that drifts let me know..

i really like your closed parking lot idea.

[Mr 20Valve]

Originally posted by mptmvp
does anybody out there have any ra6x's? or any other reaaaaaaar wheel drive celicas they use for dirfting? i gotta 84 gt-s. its all right..no fc but its cool got the supra rear end which means lsd.. i cant drift... i can get the ass out and face the curb and then swing it back in.. dont know if thats drifting.. never seen anybody do it for real except for videos. 707 is where i live anybody else out here that drifts let me know..

i really like your closed parking lot idea.


check out www.toymods.org.au (http://www.toymods.org.au)...

theres a few guys there with RA-60's n' shit....

one guys got an RA-60 with a twin-turbo 1G-GTE under the hood... nice! :D

not exactly 'round your neck of the woods though...

[MRTWINCAM]

Originally posted by XiaoMing
yea, as soon as i FIND a damn drift corner :P
Why do you need a corner to drift??

[XiaoMing]

i'd settle for an empty parking lot w/o any lightposts
but nooooooooooooooo :(

[Mr 20Valve]

Originally posted by XiaoMing
i'd settle for an empty parking lot w/o any lightposts
but nooooooooooooooo :(

just imagine that the lightposts are like marker cones...

hang on.....














maybe not. :D

but at least youll get real good at avoiding lightposts/telephone poles when you do find a corner out on the streets!!!! :D

[mixmastatez]

um... dont you need more than one corner to actually drift? or to have huge balls and get sideways the opposite way then flick through the corner rally styles? but if you had balls that size, you wouldnt be able to close your leggs enough to fit into a car seat...
and you should see the hamilton guys in their VR v8 commodores 'drifting' in the wet on a friday night- no wonder we have so many new lampposts! big heavy aussie family cars are not made for drift, how many parked cars have to get sideswiped for the v8 community to realise that???
just coz a car has four cylinders doesnt make it the worse half of a v8!

[Mr 20Valve]

Originally posted by mixmastatez
um... dont you need more than one corner to actually drift?


no... :p


or to have huge balls and get sideways the opposite way then flick through the corner rally styles? but if you had balls that size, you wouldnt be able to close your leggs enough to fit into a car seat...


big-ass balls is a prerequisite of drifting...

like everyone in this thread has said, drifting is a lot more than swinging the ass end out on the exit of a corner. a drift has to be set-up before the corner... not necessarily swinging out the opposite direction before the corner, but at least getting the car sideways before the corner starts.


and you should see the hamilton guys in their VR v8 commodores 'drifting' in the wet on a friday night- no wonder we have so many new lampposts! big heavy aussie family cars are not made for drift, how many parked cars have to get sideswiped for the v8 community to realise that???
just coz a car has four cylinders doesnt make it the worse half of a v8!


i think its really got a lot less to do with what engine is in a car, but a lot more to do with the cars balance. the thing is with V8 engined cars is that normally the engine weighs so much that it puts the cars ideal balance way off...