View Full Version : Races in the EAST BAY??????
wwwptownmobcom
10-14-2001, 06:20 PM
where is it popin? i mean like non stop racing, SF is out, san jose and the neer areas/citys have a Squad just looking for the races, well guess what, Port costa, marsh creek and bryon air port neess to be hit up for one weekend and leave it alone for a few weeks, lets all come race at spots that arnt hot at this time! and stop meeting at mc D's in walnut creek the po's are on ya, wards in concord yal need a new meeting spots, for all that read this i got info that most dont know, so when i say shit, its sources from high up, so come here and set up a meeting spot and everyone make sure they contact they friends and so on, not all racers come to this web thing and will read this, and im real, if you want to race this weekend with no po's this yall should do this, but if yall want to keep getting fucked with go ahead but i just named area that the cops arnt staking out!
later dumb fuckers get it going on or stay home wasting ur time sux
-=5oMoCo5iVe0=-
10-16-2001, 03:18 AM
Let me attempt to translate this poorly written excuse for a post into a decipherable message...
where is it popin?
If you have to ask you dont belong there...
i mean like non stop racing
I would try CMI or Sears...
stop meeting at mc D's in walnut creek the po's are on ya Trust me they know everywhere you race, they have been doing it longer than you have.
for all that read this i got info that most dont know
I hope it came from a more intelligent source than yourself...
so when i say shit
Thats all you seem to be saying.
its sources from high up
High up where, your ass??
not all racers come to this web thing and will read this For the most part racers are an intelligent breed, you have to be to stay around for any amount of time. I suppose thats why your still here, but not to worry Darwin will get you soon enough.
and im real
I cannot even begin to conjure what you were thinking when you typed that...
if you want to race this weekend
We know what to do, it seems that it is you that has the problem.
with no po's this yall should do this
Go on SRo and set up a big illegal street race? Sounds like another one of your bright ideas, just make sure you have it in Fremont.
but i just named area that the cops arnt staking out! I dont seem to see you naming any area to go to in your post, do you have A.D.D.? Another great idea tho. Name places police aren't staking out.
later dumb fuckers
I think we established who the dumb fuck is here.
get it going on or stay home wasting ur time sux
This might have been a slightly comprehensible statement if you didnt add "sux" at the end. You seemed to have combined two thoughts into one fragment, maybe if you get into highschool they will teach you how to form a sentence.Notice i said if Subject, verb.....nevermind, it would be a practice in futility.
i agree with "five o" ^
anyhow dont post shit on here cuz the cops will be there waiting.
~k.
wwwptownmobcom
10-21-2001, 07:12 PM
my shit in the shop, so i can care less where you race, i just want to see where the real people race, i got an 88 stang that i want to set up some races, please be anywhere in the 10-11 sec range and bring out at least 5 cars to race, i dont like to see alot of people coming out to see 2 fast cars race then go home or have some imports race- cuz you know what? here in pittsburg if we want to race, we dont wait till the weekend, dont think i dont do 140++++ on railroad ave 5pm weekday full blown traffic, ask any cop in pitt, they all cant catch me!!!! "you want me bitches bring out that pittsburg merro you spent alot of money on" but yeah fuck driving hella far we can do this on railroad ave i dont give a fuck
-=5oMoCo5iVe0=-
10-22-2001, 01:02 AM
dont think i dont do 140++++ on railroad ave 5pm weekday full blown traffic
Its fuckers like you that give real racers a bad name...
Bamm Bamm
10-22-2001, 10:19 AM
140 down railroad..Damn thats crazy. I don't like hitting my limiter of 126 on highway 4 cus theres too much traffic let alone on railroad..watch out for the helicopters..
Originally posted by wwwptownmobcom
my shit in the shop, so i can care less where you race, i just want to see where the real people race, i got an 88 stang that i want to set up some races, please be anywhere in the 10-11 sec range and bring out at least 5 cars to race, i dont like to see alot of people coming out to see 2 fast cars race then go home or have some imports race- cuz you know what? here in pittsburg if we want to race, we dont wait till the weekend, dont think i dont do 140++++ on railroad ave 5pm weekday full blown traffic, ask any cop in pitt, they all cant catch me!!!! "you want me bitches bring out that pittsburg merro you spent alot of money on" but yeah fuck driving hella far we can do this on railroad ave i dont give a fuck
funny thing is..u dont see the real racers askin everyone "where the races at?" :rolleyes: and if u were to race on railroad ave..i hope u do get busted..cuz thats just fuckin stupid. who the fuck is this anyways? i hope this aint mike.
~k.
this guy is asking for the police to come after him. lol.
duckman
10-24-2001, 01:18 AM
and ill bring the spike belt, sorry pitt pd we can police our own ,
i bet you have the bottle too, maybe run through your cabin in the car?, you make me laugh just reading it , if i saw you, which i might i work in antioch , i might just have to ra-- well realy point and laff at your ride, because if its like most from pitt it isnt shit, there are some fast ride there but they dont have a clue on how to talk like you so i wouldnt know about them !
rx7tt
10-24-2001, 10:45 PM
not everyone from pitt talks that much sh__, & not all the cars are buckets.
crx89lsr
10-25-2001, 01:42 PM
wow, im speechless. this thread is disgusting. is it just me (no offense to pittsburg people who are educated/courteous/intelligent) or is pittsburg possibly the biggest shithole in the continental US????!!??!!! (again this is just an opinion made based on the posts in this thread). well i know ill be racing this weekend, with the rest of the respectable racers in the 510, have fun and be safe! :rolleyes:
-=5oMoCo5iVe0=-: that post was like poetry :D too bad hell never understand a word u said, just like i cant understand a word he said.
is it just me (no offense to pittsburg people who are educated/courteous/intelligent) or is pittsburg possibly the biggest shithole in the continental US????!!??!!!
i think riverside is the armpit of the US. lol. but i haven't been to pittsburg yet.
Chris
10-25-2001, 07:32 PM
yes, yes it is that shitty.
B18C ya
10-25-2001, 08:03 PM
whatever happened to that new law that stated that anyone at the scene of the races(u don't even need to be racing) can get a $500.00 fine?
wwwptownmobcom
10-25-2001, 10:37 PM
hahaha i get off looking at some of the things you people say, well i know where the races are, i just come here to talk shit, in person im cool but this online shit is really wack so i take advantage! and pittsburg maybe a shit whole but i cant help where i was born and raised but i do own my own 4 bedroom house paid in cash and a few new cars paid for, just wanted to add that in to the people that think the cars that come out of pittsburg are buckets, really though yeah my shit ran a 13.80 at 106 but what can you ask with a stock motor with a ecam and intake, shit most of you pay out the ass and only hit 14's but shit about my education yeah class of 98 pitt high what more can you ask for, how about this, CCNA, MCSE, A+ cert, C++, VB, AA computer science all that and im only 21 so all ya going to heald your paying to much i got my shit for 11 a unit haha so we got that cleared, yeah i may only make 120k. but you will all still find something to talk about, but yeah and to the other guy that says i make other racers look bad, one all cops hate imports, 2 i dont give a fuck, 3 ill still smoke your ass infront of a cop, man i was in frisco an we got blocked in right, let me tell you i got no L's right, so what i do? park the stang, take the keys before the cops got to it, and came back 20 min later and the fucking cops didnt say shit what a fucking joke, oh yeah that cobra got smoked like powerline, and to the guy that said cops must want me or something like that, haha fuck yeah but that cant get the chopper out fast enough when i high speed on they ass sorry for the "ebonics" dont want them to think i have no education because i talk slang, and yeah all i do is swang! and ill come back in a week to see what yall have to say next, and another thing you really read all this? all i do is speak in a mic and it types for me you dick head!
>NickS<
10-25-2001, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by wwwptownmobcom
hahaha i get off looking at some of the things you people say, well i know where the races are, i just come here to talk shit, in person im cool but this online shit is really wack so i take advantage! and pittsburg maybe a shit whole but i cant help where i was born and raised but i do own my own 4 bedroom house paid in cash and a few new cars paid for, just wanted to add that in to the people that think the cars that come out of pittsburg are buckets, really though yeah my shit ran a 13.80 at 106 but what can you ask with a stock motor with a ecam and intake, shit most of you pay out the ass and only hit 14's but shit about my education yeah class of 98 pitt high what more can you ask for, how about this, CCNA, MCSE, A+ cert, C++, VB, AA computer science all that and im only 21 so all ya going to heald your paying to much i got my shit for 11 a unit haha so we got that cleared, yeah i may only make 120k. but you will all still find something to talk about, but yeah and to the other guy that says i make other racers look bad, one all cops hate imports, 2 i dont give a fuck, 3 ill still smoke your ass infront of a cop, man i was in frisco an we got blocked in right, let me tell you i got no L's right, so what i do? park the stang, take the keys before the cops got to it, and came back 20 min later and the fucking cops didnt say shit what a fucking joke, oh yeah that cobra got smoked like powerline, and to the guy that said cops must want me or something like that, haha fuck yeah but that cant get the chopper out fast enough when i high speed on they ass sorry for the "ebonics" dont want them to think i have no education because i talk slang, and yeah all i do is swang! and ill come back in a week to see what yall have to say next, and another thing you really read all this? all i do is speak in a mic and it types for me you dick head!
medal for you pal!
>NickS<
10-25-2001, 10:52 PM
it's shit HOLE, not "shit whole"
there's this thing they teach in english class, its called punctuation. read up on it buddy.
ErikDaGenErik
10-26-2001, 12:34 AM
Its hard enough believing that this guy even graduated high school.
duckman
10-26-2001, 12:49 PM
hey you got speak and spell huh?, you need to move your wheel chair closer to the computer and it might spell your words out right next time! as for the races, i think the little yellow school bus would kinda give us away, and please i dont like to smoke handicaped people , it just looks to funny, so just take and move you stick to the right and move away from the keyboard before you dripple all over it , i bet he has gold wires on the wheelchair,
str8turbo
10-26-2001, 04:05 PM
ya this guy has his head up is ass...you wanna talk shit little bitch, this how san jose niggas do it...ill race you...period nuff said, you wanna race then lets race....oh ya and its an integra too...that why when get raaaaannnnnnn, youll be able to hate on imports even harder...no weekends whatever, bitch you aint for real, just some punk kid w/ AOL tryen to get mopped up...
str8turbo
10-26-2001, 06:08 PM
see no reply from the lil hoe....WTF
Im from Pittsburg as well.
Enough said?
crx89lsr
10-29-2001, 01:54 AM
:eek: wow did he really say all that? now im convinced! pittsburg should have been bin ladens target!
j/k
p.s. fuck u Bin Laden!
p.p.s. terrorism sux :cool:
duckman
10-29-2001, 10:37 AM
is this dan from c.p. class 92'
if it is what you up too , this is jenn's bro with the ducatis
from martinez,
Originally posted by crx89lsr
:eek: wow did he really say all that? now im convinced! pittsburg should have been bin ladens target!
j/k
p.s. fuck u Bin Laden!
p.p.s. terrorism sux :cool:
fack u.
PDC
~k.
Chris
10-30-2001, 02:04 AM
im from concord, ill be glad to run your little econobox integra.
duckman
10-30-2001, 11:47 AM
thought that was you , dan,
drop me a line, @ donthehorse@hotmail.com ,
we can kick it and check out our cars and hit the races
c ya
crx89lsr
10-30-2001, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by k.
fack u.
PDC
~k.
ah u must be from pittsburg too! did u not read my post scrip? (thats what p.s. means btw, heres a tough one, guess what p.p.s. means, lol)
sheesh cant anyone take a joke?
Bamm Bamm
11-01-2001, 09:30 AM
If anyone can decipher what half of this bullshit says they'll be my new idol..
crx89lsr
11-02-2001, 03:42 AM
hey since the pitts people seem to issue all the challenges why dont you come to oakland tomorrow night (fri) we accept your challenge and will gladly run our hondas/acuras/rx7s/nsx/skyline against anything that will make it to oakland. email crx89lsr@hotmail.com for the details.
PLEASE CALL ME
I would like to setup some runs.
925-570-8620
Dan.
Hey I just got your message.
Sounds cool I think I have seen you before if you have a primered CRX I think you came up to me and said whats up at the races in the SCO one night. Out behind Candlestick.
I was tuning the cat with the orange mustang sittin on chrome cobra Rs nitrous kit for him.
I think you bounced before any runs got off tho.
Anyway no one is gonna want to come out to run unless it involves a little skrilla.
Just to make it worth it and shieet.
No big balling 1K races or 10G big boy races.
Just some fun little 100 dollar shit.
So let me know whats up.
Peace.
crx89lsr
11-02-2001, 02:45 PM
$100 should be fine, nah my rex isnt primered its blue, i havnt ridden it to the illegals since fnf, i ride a gold accord cpe with 18's on it. hit my cell around 5 or 6, we can mb have a lil trial tonite, you can come out, watch us run and check out the track and shit. no need to bring out ur cars less u wanna run for fun, i doubt anyone will just decide to run for $$$ tonite on no notice.
-Sean
crx89lsr@hotmail.com
crx89lsr
11-02-2001, 02:46 PM
oh shit i fergot! haha i got nextel too, so if u email me i can give u my fleet and priv id # or just call the # i gave you on ur vmail
I am at work tonight so we will try to make it out either Saturday or next week if the weather permits man.
Talk to ya then!!!!
-=5oMoCo5iVe0=-
11-04-2001, 03:13 AM
THERE ARE NO METH LABS OFF BUCHANNAN ROAD. A1 YOLA COCA COLA.
I give road head to the winner at the races.
DAMN, I cant type.. crank gots me going reaaaall good. Shit, I am tweeeeeaking. haha. cant stop moving.
No really. I hate these racer thugs. Damn, straight hardcore.
Hey look at me, im a streetracer.
My CARS came STOCK with DENT PULLERS. KNOW WHAT I MEAN? ?
ANTHRAX!!!! AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.members.home.net/moc91/Speak English.gif
crx89lsr
11-04-2001, 03:40 PM
oh well we had some dope ass runs this weekend. one of the guys from altraxtion smoked a twin turbo supra 3 times!(i saw it cuz i was flagging) much props to altraxtion for that. and even though i didnt make it out in time to see shattered dreamz integ run on friday i heard he smoked the supra. oh well mb u ptown people will make it out next weekend, us oakland fools aint goin nowhere :D
wwwptownmobcom
11-04-2001, 07:25 PM
my bad for talkin shit, i just like to see people read and pick out shit, but yeah anyways, people, we aint gonna come out to your town unless you got $$$$$$ you feel me? but got a few storys. we went to bryon right, (this new track)=) there was a Z with a 350. haha this guy got beat by our stang right, if this guy was at the track he woudl red light, he takes off really ahead of time, so of course we had to give it a little squeeeez in 3rd to make up for his really red light take off, but hes light with a 350 so its pretty fast but i dont think its any fast on the track, but fast to me is like 11's and faster. but let me tell you, this guy came back, parked it, poped the hood, hes adding trans fluid, i say what adding that shit gives you a half sec right? he says no! but it will keep me from missing 3rd gear, the guy got walked on, and hes got a auto trans and hes missing 3rd gear, hmmm buy hey, anyone got some money$$$$$? i need some parts and im willing to put up a few g's on a race! holla
ps dan set up some money races for us, like a G or two
Originally posted by Sufferage
Word on the street is theres an under posing as a dealer on west 10th.
Word to your mother.
wtf?
~k.
crx89lsr
11-06-2001, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by wwwptownmobcom
my bad for talkin shit, i just like to see people read and pick out shit, but yeah anyways, people, we aint gonna come out to your town unless you got $$$$$$ you feel me? but got a few storys. we went to bryon right, (this new track)=) there was a Z with a 350. haha this guy got beat by our stang right, if this guy was at the track he woudl red light, he takes off really ahead of time, so of course we had to give it a little squeeeez in 3rd to make up for his really red light take off, but hes light with a 350 so its pretty fast but i dont think its any fast on the track, but fast to me is like 11's and faster. but let me tell you, this guy came back, parked it, poped the hood, hes adding trans fluid, i say what adding that shit gives you a half sec right? he says no! but it will keep me from missing 3rd gear, the guy got walked on, and hes got a auto trans and hes missing 3rd gear, hmmm buy hey, anyone got some money$$$$$? i need some parts and im willing to put up a few g's on a race! holla
ps dan set up some money races for us, like a G or two
where are you dan i cant understand what ur pittsburg friends are saying, u need to translate this ptown lingo into plain english for me :rolleyes:
LOL
I dont know what he is saying man.
crx89lsr
11-08-2001, 02:02 PM
shit man we had a fatass battle in oakland last night that ended up being a CHP bust. lotsa sub 13 sec imports out last night, but it looks like we wont be able to run our track for a while. ill see yall in the 408 or 925 this weekend (maybe even 707) :p
AcuraRSX Type-S
11-28-2001, 01:45 AM
Originally posted by wwwptownmobcom
my shit in the shop, so i can care less where you race, i just want to see where the real people race, i got an 88 stang that i want to set up some races, please be anywhere in the 10-11 sec range and bring out at least 5 cars to race, i dont like to see alot of people coming out to see 2 fast cars race then go home or have some imports race- cuz you know what? here in pittsburg if we want to race, we dont wait till the weekend, dont think i dont do 140++++ on railroad ave 5pm weekday full blown traffic, ask any cop in pitt, they all cant catch me!!!! "you want me bitches bring out that pittsburg merro you spent alot of money on" but yeah fuck driving hella far we can do this on railroad ave i dont give a fuck
You need to get a better feel for high school. Your posts dont make any sence, and you are a bullshiter. If your shit is soo fast and what not, then prove it, dont come on here typing shit about how fast your car is, and how you like to do 140++++ on a residential road. Its pure stupidity, and lets brag about the next race you want to set up, and where, and the time. Your asking to get caught. You have way too much pride for a low life town of Pittsburg, its the crack-whoore city of the bay. Anyways, nice chatting with you, have a great day!
Originally posted by Dan
LOL
I dont know what he is saying man.
Out in Byron, someone from PTown raced a Datsun Z with a 350. The Z got smoked, then the kid in the Z popped the hood to add tranny fluid, "because his car missed 3rd on the last run".
crx89lsr
11-29-2001, 01:40 PM
lol are you guys still trying to decipher what that fool said? what a waste of time, if he talks like that, how important can the simple things that go through his pea sized brain be????
:cool: ooohhhh i get it, comic relief.
see yall at the runs in 209 next weekend! ill be in 310, 805, and 818 this weekend, ahh so-cal.
gsxtreme
11-29-2001, 02:13 PM
The spot used to be concord around 3-4 years ago when It was all imports and everyone kept it cool. Then marsh creek got busted and everyone with their mustang came to concord to "swing" lol. That's when the bust at bates happened, now concord sucks but the real peeps know where its at and all the respectable imports follow.
i saw the run against POWELINE and you can't take credit for it. If this is the same mustang you guys were swinging it in fairfield shouting p-town? hmm... the race i watched was against the white crx and a trailored stang? The stang cut the CRX off before 2nd gear and never came back to run again. We all know a stang has more tq and the CRX would only catch a stang at top end is this why it was cut off before it could even hit 2nd gear? The CRX also snapped a bolt or something I can't remember. The next weekend the CRX was back out and smoked a full race camaro.
newbie
12-03-2001, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by crx89lsr
ill see yall in the 408 or 925 this weekend (maybe even 707) :p
im not really familiar wit 707 peeps/runs, but i heard that theres this one dude with a 96+ civic and from what i heard he's the fastest in 707. im asking cause my girl is jockin his ride and im sorta getting jealous LOL!!!! who got the fastest import at 707 area btw?? and what area code is ASR from??? nah but ummm good shit to all yall puttin it down at your town. DRAG ONNNNN!!!!!!!!
RotaWho
12-03-2001, 09:56 AM
ASR They got a couple of Cats in Oakland..
Teel Civic Keep your eyes peeled..
crx89lsr
12-03-2001, 06:34 PM
i never really seen any All Squeeze cats north of Oakland
newbie
12-03-2001, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by RotaWho
ASR They got a couple of Cats in Oakland..
Teel Civic Keep your eyes peeled..
i heard that car is for sale. took out the turbo, 12's all motor......
wwwptownmobcom
12-04-2001, 07:20 PM
YEAH ITS ME. WE WANT TO RACE THE Z, POWERLINES CRX'S AND ANYONE ELSE THAT GOT BEAT BUT DIDNT GET BEAT. I AINT GINNA SAY WHERE WE RACIN BUT ITS NEER THE P AND THE YOC BUT MORE EAST. HIT MY E-MAIL PTOWNMOB@AOL.COM THIS IS FOR FRIDAY THE 7TH, WOULD YA GUYS PLEASE PUT THE WORD OUT TO THE PEEPS THAT RACE BUT DONT DO THE INTERNET THING! FOR MORE INFO HIT MY E-MAIL AND CHECK OUT SYDEWAYZ.COM THE DVD IS OUT IN MOM N POP STORES NEER YOU! LETS GET THESE FAST CARS OUT THIS FRIDAY TO RACE US AND TO HAVE FUN. SEE YA
rx7tt
12-04-2001, 10:34 PM
how 'bout next fri. the 14th i should have my new tires & n?t?o?s ?x?d? (just playin,maybe,maybe not,what do you think) bikes beware..... I'M still a little paranoid so it depends where
newbie
12-05-2001, 04:14 AM
Pittsburg?? know anyone from Streamline???
gsxtreme
12-09-2001, 10:33 PM
streamline? If there are any they aren't making themselves known cause I haven't seen any...
crx89lsr
12-11-2001, 02:39 AM
hey xcelerategsx we hittin up same trax again this weekend? del sol wants to come this time, so does nsx boy.
gsxtreme
12-12-2001, 11:00 PM
For sure, I hope it wasn't a waste of your time since we didn't get to see many runs. Hit my cell up saturday I will be going out early this time and following a different guy thats out every weekend. it was cool having you guys cruise with us, spread the word so we can bring some more down folks.
late
crx89lsr
12-13-2001, 02:42 AM
i think we goin friday, i gona hit u up tomorrow to get the name of the exit at that track imma try to grab all the oakland peeps too this time, ricky if u see this we gotta spot to run :D mb dave will coax the r33 out of its garage too. be i should be in much fuller force this time. we gona head straight out the fwy too if i can get the exit right, save a lot of driving time. talk to u tomorrow (im on AIM every night after about 1 or 2 AM for an hour or so before i goto bed so u can find me there too.) much props on the crew, its nice to see a group of diehard fast cars all down for racing, thats not too common anymore. props to Xlerate!
RotaWho
12-13-2001, 09:42 AM
Have you been Peeping the 925 or 707?
gsxtreme
12-13-2001, 08:22 PM
Thanks bro, it was cool kicking it with you guys for the time that we weren't all mixed up and lost lol. If my clutch doesn't slip you might get to see me launch again. more then likely not though. haha well shit hit me up or email me I will go out tomorrow if I can get everything together. Peace
rx7tt
12-13-2001, 08:57 PM
did somebody say r33? xlerategsx i havent forgot about you'r boy w/the hatch back, i've been a little unhappy with my b***h. she's just not hooking up. monday i'm ordering my new yokahama ao32r, they should make me very happy. let me know where you guys are going to meet up this weekend & tell me more about this r33.
gsxtreme
12-13-2001, 10:56 PM
rx7tt, wassup bro? I tried to PM you a while ago about it but the engine is out of the hatch and it is being rebuilt right now. if you still wanna set something up then AIM/AOL: eclipstacy95. Hope to see you around...
peace
rx7tt
12-13-2001, 11:06 PM
xlerategsx:wassup for this weekend?
gsxtreme
12-13-2001, 11:36 PM
not sure, have your friend with the green tt call berto...
crx89lsr
12-14-2001, 02:56 AM
fuck its 2AM and it sure looks like it might literally rain on our parade tomorrow. id be fuckin pist. ill be sure to hit ur cell tomorrow afternoon and try to arrange shit, if not a run mb a group kickit (drinkins always fun) :D
gsxtreme
12-14-2001, 10:39 AM
haha, yeah im always down to get drunk... It's sunny out here dawg :D
Originally posted by newbie
Pittsburg?? know anyone from Streamline???
a lot of them live in pittsburg and go to heald hah..i see their cars all the time.
~k.
crx89lsr
12-14-2001, 02:50 PM
weathers lookin good imma rally the boys from around the bay we should be ready to roll tonite.
Ry711
01-13-2002, 01:50 AM
Originally posted by crx89lsr
shit man we had a fatass battle in oakland last night that ended up being a CHP bust. lotsa sub 13 sec imports out last night, but it looks like we wont be able to run our track for a while. ill see yall in the 408 or 925 this weekend (maybe even 707) :p
Where yall race in the 707 i'am from thier and its all pretty much privite runs. Not really organized like it was before.
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