Civic Si

['86 Mustang GT]

im about to buy a car around december and need to get some info where i can find a Honda Civic Si , ive seen that they are hard to find and i want low miles (10,000) and would like it to be tock so i can soop it up and feel the difference well any info would help *ohh yeah and i was wondering what it would sound like with just a header and no muffler*

[Mystik]

why do you want a civic si? not a flame (well, not really) just a question...

there are so many better cars for the money

['86 Mustang GT]

just like the looks and the potential like the nice dohc vtec . why what other cars are out there . and please answer my question about the header!!!

[SubyRacer]

if you want nasty VTEC speed for cheap i would recommend you do the following....


buy a 1992 Civic hatchback w/ high miles (weighs like 2200lbs)....$2k
drop a B18c5 in that bitch...$8k
JRSC....$3k
you are now runnin 12's, revvin to 85000rpms for about the price of a brand new Si

if you like the look of the 96-2000 civics you can easily do a front end conversion (headlights, hood, Si bumper), other than that the cars have the same body pretty much.

if you want the Si try the classifieds at erols.com, or http://www.autotrader.com , or http://www.cars.com ....

[Edited by SubyRacer on 04-22-2001 at 02:52 PM]

[Nick]

Or if you dont want to put out the $8gs for the Type R engine, you could do a B18c1(GSR), and have about the same results....or the almight H22a swap......with the 'lude engine, it would handle like shit, but be a sick ass drag car!!......just my .02.....God i want a H22 swap

Or you could get a 1st gen GSX, and with about $2k in mods, have that thing hauling ass as well

Or buy a used 240, and do some shit to that.....

The list could go on forever....

Oh, and about the headers....You will feel some gain, but not as much as if you had full catback exhaust.....you need to open up all the exhaust to optimize performance.....With just headers, you will get alot of flow into a stock exhaust setup, and have a lot of back pressure....

Peace:D

[Edited by SLO2ndGenIntegra on 04-22-2001 at 03:32 PM]

['86 Mustang GT]

my question about the headers was what would it sound like if it was just the HEADERS on and nothing esle exhaust wise.....????

[OnlyGoodGalant]

why would you just have a header with no exhaust .... no one does that













clay

['86 Mustang GT]

i dont care if anyone does it thats im not the trendy type ! i just think it might sound cool like a street bike possibly scince streetbikes have 4 cilinders!

[SubyRacer]

at 8000rpms id imagine itd cause hearing damage w/o protection....VERY ****ING LOUD. retardly loud. and of course it wouldnt be anywhere near street legal, and if you tried to drive it on the street you attract cops all the way from canada.

[Nick]

Are you talking about running headers, with stock exhaust???.....if thats the case, there wont be much difference audibally....but it wont help performance as much, cuz the gases will bottleneck after that

If you are talking an open header set up, it will be loud as hell, like everyone has already noted.....you will also lose some low-end due to the fact that there is no back pressure....however, you will gain some top-end....its all about sacrafices

Peace:D

[Solidus]

I have a B18c1 in my 92 hatch and that is loud with headers and a catback N1. I'm not kidding my girlfreind knows I'm coming home when I'm half a mile away. The only time it's quit is below 3500. Now I can only imagine what screams would come out with an open header. And No it wont sound like a sportbike. Either you're stupid or you're messin with us.

[Mike]

Disconnected Honda exhaust sounds like SHIT! No real point to it...buy a good catback system,with the right amount of backpressure.

[White Rider]

Originally posted by OnlyGoodGalant
why would you just have a header with no exhaust .... no one does that
clay
One of my teachers does. Yes he races. I am in the ninth grade. Its on an alfa romeo so I don't know how a civic would sound. But if you really want to haul ass get a civic sedan any model will do from 1990 - 2001 put a b18c5 engine in it slap a turbo on it do the 4-2-1H if you are in Cali. If you are in Fla. do a 4-1H CAI and don't for get put the big V-Tec sticker on the front window thats an extra 500hp dyno tested and proved.j/k I forgot the website though.


[Edited by White Rider on 04-23-2001 at 03:16 PM]

[John]

Originally posted by White Rider
Originally posted by OnlyGoodGalant
why would you just have a header with no exhaust .... no one does that
clay
One of my teachers does. Yes he races. I am in the ninth grade. Its on an alfa romeo so I don't know how a civic would sound. But if you really want to haul ass get a civic sedan any model will do from 1990 - 2001 put a b18c5 engine in it slap a turbo on it do the 4-2-1H if you are in Cali. If you are in Fla. do a 4-1H CAI and don't for get put the big V-Tec sticker on the front window thats an extra 500hp dyno tested and proved.j/k I forgot the website though.


[Edited by White Rider on 04-23-2001 at 03:16 PM]

hey i didnt know u could sport a header with the turbo kit !!!! hahahhaahh guys like yu need to learn yur shit before u speak

I RAN OPEN HEADER ON MY HYBRID HATCH . ITS LOUD BUT YUR A ***** IF U CANT TAKE IT .. SOUNDS TIGHT .. i remember when i went to Zanker and everyone was covering there ears like little babies .. haahahahah

[Nick]

Originally posted by jaysgotta2kgsr
hey i didnt know u could sport a header with the turbo kit !!!! hahahhaahh guys like yu need to learn yur shit before u speak

hahahahaha......someone needs to learn their stuff.....j/p

White Rider--->

Turbo cars dont have header, they have exhaust manifolds....this is needed, because the turbo is spooled by the exhaust the engine puts out.....I dont know if you just didnt know that, or slipped or what, but i'll share what little knowledge i have....:)

Peace:D

[k.]

stock si with 10k miles isnt gonna be cheap..u want it for styling? do what i did..buy an ex and smake the exterior to si spec. :) *coughcoughbuymycarcoughcough*

and if u want potential out of a dohc vtec get a gsr (b18c1) which has a lot of potential and go turbo. :)

[SE-Rage]

Originally posted by White Rider

One of my teachers does. Yes he races. I am in the ninth grade. Its on an alfa romeo so I don't know how a civic would sound. But if you really want to haul ass get a civic sedan any model will do from 1990 - 2001 put a b18c5 engine in it slap a turbo on it do the 4-2-1H if you are in Cali. If you are in Fla. do a 4-1H CAI and don't for get put the big V-Tec sticker on the front window thats an extra 500hp dyno tested and proved.j/k I forgot the website though.


[Edited by White Rider on 04-23-2001 at 03:16 PM]

Are you joking?

[Dex]

Like the kid said... he is in 9th grade... don't even drive yet.

[Nick]

Originally posted by Dex
Like the kid said... he is in 9th grade... don't even drive yet.

True....i thought i was civil about it though...oh well

Peace:D

[White Rider]

Originally posted by SE-Rage
Originally posted by White Rider

One of my teachers does. Yes he races. I am in the ninth grade. Its on an alfa romeo so I don't know how a civic would sound. But if you really want to haul ass get a civic sedan any model will do from 1990 - 2001 put a b18c5 engine in it slap a turbo on it do the 4-2-1H if you are in Cali. If you are in Fla. do a 4-1H CAI and don't for get put the big V-Tec sticker on the front window thats an extra 500hp dyno tested and proved.j/k I forgot the website though.


[Edited by White Rider on 04-23-2001 at 03:16 PM]

Are you joking?
Nope he really does. I am being serious.

[White Rider]

Originally posted by SLO2ndGenIntegra
Originally posted by jaysgotta2kgsr
hey i didnt know u could sport a header with the turbo kit !!!! hahahhaahh guys like yu need to learn yur shit before u speak

hahahahaha......someone needs to learn their stuff.....j/p

White Rider--->

Turbo cars dont have header, they have exhaust manifolds....this is needed, because the turbo is spooled by the exhaust the engine puts out.....I dont know if you just didnt know that, or slipped or what, but i'll share what little knowledge i have....:)

Peace:D
Thanks I didn't know that. But like i said I am in the ninth grade. I thought a exhaust manifold and a header were the same thing.

[Nick]

Originally posted by White Rider
[QUOTE]Thanks I didn't know that. But like i said I am in the ninth grade. I thought a exhaust manifold and a header were the same thing.

They are kinda the same thing....but not really....the only real similarity is that they are in the same place on the car, and they do transport exhaust gases....but thats about all i can think of in terms of similarities....i dont know, i just woke up from my afternoon nap...*yawn*

Peace:D

[SE-Rage]

Originally posted by White Rider
Originally posted by SE-Rage
Originally posted by White Rider

One of my teachers does. Yes he races. I am in the ninth grade. Its on an alfa romeo so I don't know how a civic would sound. But if you really want to haul ass get a civic sedan any model will do from 1990 - 2001 put a b18c5 engine in it slap a turbo on it do the 4-2-1H if you are in Cali. If you are in Fla. do a 4-1H CAI and don't for get put the big V-Tec sticker on the front window thats an extra 500hp dyno tested and proved.j/k I forgot the website though.


[Edited by White Rider on 04-23-2001 at 03:16 PM]

Are you joking?
Nope he really does. I am being serious.

I wasn't asking about the Alfa Romeo, I was asking about getting a B18C5 and turbocharging it. First of all, its not like the B18C5 is something you put on your credit card and pick up with a trip to Kragen's. Its an expensive motor. Second, if you're going to shell out all that money for a Type R motor, why would you turbocharge it? The engine is made for a naturally aspirated setup, and you'd be spending a lot of money on peripheral costs just so you could morph the engine into something that can have a turbo. You can't just "slap on a turbo" with a Type R engine. If you've noticed, not many of the drag racers race with Type R engines either; the reason is because it is expensive and they can't afford to buy a new one everytime it blows. Third, why put it into a Civic Sedan instead of buying the Type R itself?

[Nick]

Originally posted by SE-Rage
[QUOTE]why put it into a Civic Sedan instead of buying the Type R itself?

All though you bring up many good points James, this is the one i can agree with most....when you buy a Type-R, you not only get a great engine, but the car is also a wet dream in the corners, and can also brake with the best of them...its just a perfectly balanced car(maybe not perfect, but damn close)!

Peace:D

[OnlyGoodGalant]

hey would this man have enough back pressure? would he be losin power without an exhaust?


clay

[Mike]

This has already been discussed earlier in this thread...no exhaust on this application=good top end,but loss of bottom end torque.

[Nick]

Originally posted by mike
This has already been discussed earlier in this thread...no exhaust on this application=good top end,but loss of bottom end torque.

yes.

Peace:D

[White Rider]

Originally posted by SE-Rage
Originally posted by White Rider
Originally posted by SE-Rage
Originally posted by White Rider

One of my teachers does. Yes he races. I am in the ninth grade. Its on an alfa romeo so I don't know how a civic would sound. But if you really want to haul ass get a civic sedan any model will do from 1990 - 2001 put a b18c5 engine in it slap a turbo on it do the 4-2-1H if you are in Cali. If you are in Fla. do a 4-1H CAI and don't for get put the big V-Tec sticker on the front window thats an extra 500hp dyno tested and proved.j/k I forgot the website though.


[Edited by White Rider on 04-23-2001 at 03:16 PM]

Are you joking?
Nope he really does. I am being serious.

I wasn't asking about the Alfa Romeo, I was asking about getting a B18C5 and turbocharging it. First of all, its not like the B18C5 is something you put on your credit card and pick up with a trip to Kragen's. Its an expensive motor. Second, if you're going to shell out all that money for a Type R motor, why would you turbocharge it? The engine is made for a naturally aspirated setup, and you'd be spending a lot of money on peripheral costs just so you could morph the engine into something that can have a turbo. You can't just "slap on a turbo" with a Type R engine. If you've noticed, not many of the drag racers race with Type R engines either; the reason is because it is expensive and they can't afford to buy a new one everytime it blows. Third, why put it into a Civic Sedan instead of buying the Type R itself?
Sorry I didn't know any better, what other honda engines are for n/a duty?

[civicman38]

no BIg deal. Just ignorant


Originally posted by jaysgotta2kgsr
Originally posted by White Rider
Originally posted by OnlyGoodGalant
why would you just have a header with no exhaust .... no one does that
clay
One of my teachers does. Yes he races. I am in the ninth grade. Its on an alfa romeo so I don't know how a civic would sound. But if you really want to haul ass get a civic sedan any model will do from 1990 - 2001 put a b18c5 engine in it slap a turbo on it do the 4-2-1H if you are in Cali. If you are in Fla. do a 4-1H CAI and don't for get put the big V-Tec sticker on the front window thats an extra 500hp dyno tested and proved.j/k I forgot the website though.


[Edited by White Rider on 04-23-2001 at 03:16 PM]

hey i didnt know u could sport a header with the turbo kit !!!! hahahhaahh guys like yu need to learn yur shit before u speak

I RAN OPEN HEADER ON MY HYBRID HATCH . ITS LOUD BUT YUR A ***** IF U CANT TAKE IT .. SOUNDS TIGHT .. i remember when i went to Zanker and everyone was covering there ears like little babies .. haahahahah

[White Rider]

Originally posted by civicman38
no BIg deal. Just ignorant


Originally posted by jaysgotta2kgsr
Originally posted by White Rider
Originally posted by OnlyGoodGalant
why would you just have a header with no exhaust .... no one does that
clay
One of my teachers does. Yes he races. I am in the ninth grade. Its on an alfa romeo so I don't know how a civic would sound. But if you really want to haul ass get a civic sedan any model will do from 1990 - 2001 put a b18c5 engine in it slap a turbo on it do the 4-2-1H if you are in Cali. If you are in Fla. do a 4-1H CAI and don't for get put the big V-Tec sticker on the front window thats an extra 500hp dyno tested and proved.j/k I forgot the website though.


[Edited by White Rider on 04-23-2001 at 03:16 PM]

hey i didnt know u could sport a header with the turbo kit !!!! hahahhaahh guys like yu need to learn yur shit before u speak

I RAN OPEN HEADER ON MY HYBRID HATCH . ITS LOUD BUT YUR A ***** IF U CANT TAKE IT .. SOUNDS TIGHT .. i remember when i went to Zanker and everyone was covering there ears like little babies .. haahahahah
What do you mean Ignorant. I just didn't know dammit.

[civicman38]

I was sticking up for your ass.

[White Rider]

Originally posted by civicman38
I was sticking up for your ass.
I know I was just mad because my mother was yelling at me for being on this site.