Boxter vs. Eclipse

[86civic]

I was cruisin on the hwy (120km/h) and I saw an eclipse and a boxter fly by. The boxter had a small spoiler on the back....I'm not sure if it was an after market spoiler or if the spoiler comes with the boxter s.... never the less the eclipse had at least a 4 car lead on the boxter! I tried to catch up to watch them race but it was a sad attempt as they were going at least 180km/h....I was shocked to see the eclipse beating the boxter....Are eclipses faster then boxters? Or are boxters not that great (for what you pay)?

[ghoust]

modded eclipse's can get pretty crazy hp numbers...ask StockSpyder.

[WestTexasRiceBoy]

this is exactly what i want to read... im trying to become a DSM man..............

[510King]

Boxsters arent even all that anyway!:rolleyes: Eclipses can push dumb HP!!

[XplicitGST]

Boxters are a joke. Overpriced yuppy miata's. An eclipse will pound a boxter all day.

[NaVamous]

I've heard that those Boxters suck, specs on those are 215 hp or so? Not sure. Well anyway, props to that the driver in the Eclipse for beating the Porsche.

[WestTexasRiceBoy]

riceboy food

[Nick]

Boxsters are the 914s of the new generation(sorry to anyone who drives a 914)

0-60: 6.4sec
1/4 mile: 14.9sec

Its respectable, but not that fast, especially for Porsche.....I see it as the "mid-life crisis convertible"

Anyways, as you can tell, im not a Boxster fan....I think Persche ruined its almost impecable record with this creation...the front looks too much like the 911, for it not being a 911.....oh well, some people like them, so.....

Peace:D

[Matt]

well....while we are on the subject of boxters. HAHAHA...I also think they are weak a$$ cars. for the money? c'mon 14's for that thing. and it's sooo small...you'de think it would be a lot faster for it's weight. Oh well...porsche still made a lot of money off of them because half the dumb ass rich people who bought them, bought them for that little porsche emblem and bragging rights "I have a porsche." That's the crazy thing about porsche. they could come out with a pile (boxter) and people would still buy it just because it's a porsche and they want it in there garage.

[OneTime]

Im not favoring Boxsters but them cars on a closed coarse with winding turns and hairpin bends, The are pretty flawless. I can prove it on NEED FOR SPEED 4 Porshe Unreleased!

[Matt]

Originally posted by OneTime
Im not favoring Boxsters but them cars on a closed coarse with winding turns and hairpin bends, The are pretty flawless. I can prove it on NEED FOR SPEED 4 Porshe Unreleased!

I'de like to see a type r or a s2000 spank on it on the track...around truns. both are less....both are better.

[Ricespotter]

thanks for the giggles guys! this thread is hilarious! if ANY of you think you can post better times than a person in a boxster then i invite you to try it and scan in your lap times.

not any gay ass drag racing BS timeslips... scan in the printout of your lap times around a road course. after all, that's what the Boxsters are designed for.

if you're going to compare apples to oranges, then why not admit that NONE of you drag racers could out-handle a Boxster... or would that be too humiliating to get "spanked" by a totally stock car? one more thing about the Boxster... by the time that your japanese econobox rice racer has broken down and rusted into a pile of garbage, remember that the Boxster you dissed will still be worth a good percentage of what the owner paid for it. when they were first released, Boxster owners could drive their cars for 10,000 miles and then RESELL the cars for more than what they bought them for because demand was high (and it still is fairly high). how many rice rockets can claim that?

[blubimmer]

time to come out of you little 1/4 mile straigh line racing shells everyone. Next time you're "bombing down the strip" take a little look down and notice the steering wheel. It's for turning. Ahhh yes...turning....something the rice community is not all too familiar with. Something that Porsches are engineered to do. They are tested at Weissach, (their own test track) the autobahn and Nurburgring. The attached pic is the Weissach test track. Funny how it looks NOTHING like drag strip.
http://my.oneleaf.com/incoming/weissach.jpg

Like RiceSpotter said. Apples to Oranges.
Why are these things so hard for you to understand??
And before you get on my d!ck about being a hater of Japanese cars...I have a huge amount of respect for the cars that are designed and built specifically for road courses...where R E A L driving is done.
http://www.tomsracing.co.jp/img/supra.jpg

[ridge]

I am a BIG import fan, but I have to agree with Ricespotter and blubimmer here, Boxster is not meant to be a Drag Car.

Have you ever attempted to push your car thru a 270 degree freeway ramp at 120km/h when it is raining? This is something that almost no domestics can do. I think the 4WD JDM cars (Skyline GTR, Lancer EVO, Impreza WRX STi)can do it. but Porsche is the best at it. Even F355's and Lambo Diablos have to stand aside!

My dream cars are still the Skyline R34 GTR and Porsche 911 Twin Turbo.

[SlickS2K]

An S2000 will rape a boxster around a roadcourse and on a drag strip. BoxsterS is another story, but also 30K more so both you guys need to get off your high horses and quit dissing imports, or ricerockets as you call them.

[Ricespotter]

Originally posted by SlickS2K
An S2000 will rape a boxster around a roadcourse and on a drag strip. BoxsterS is another story, but also 30K more so both you guys need to get off your high horses and quit dissing imports, or ricerockets as you call them.

what i'm dissing are those people that build up cars for DRAG RACING then they compare them to cars set up for ROAD RACING. if this was a thread about a built-up Acura Integra Type R that beat a Honda S2000, i'd say the exact same things. a "ricerocket" is an import set up for straight line speed.

if you want to talk about a Mitsubishi or a Toyota or an Acura beating a Porsche... why not compare a ROAD RACING car to a ROAD RACING CAR?

i wrote about it a long time ago, but it would be just as stupid for me to say:

"yesterday i beat a monster 300Hp drag racing Mitsubishi while driving around the back roads. i was in a 125Hp Porsche with $2000 put into the suspension. yeah, i kick ass because my little car with less than 1/2 the horsepower kicked a Japanese car's butt... Japanese drag racing cars suck because they can't handle."

if i posted that then you guys would be all over my ass about how it's stupid to compare a HANDLING car to a STRAIGHT LINE car. all i'm doing is saying that you can sit there all day long bragging about how you beat a Boxster in YOUR element... but before you talk about how crappy the Porsche 986 is because it can't drag race.. how about trying to keep up with him on some extremely twisty mountain roads? just offhand, more than 1/2 the Boxster owners i know used to own Japanese cars that had more horsepower than the Boxster. don't diss someone because they like to turn the wheel left and right... they could spend ALL YEAR dissing people who don't have cars that can go at 108mph down a soaking wet forest road. i know i've had my ass handed to me by Boxster drivers ESPECIALLY on wet forest roads. on the straights i didn't have a problem keeping up with them, but when the road gets curvy, i backed the hell away. those cars are simply unreal when the situation gets hairy.

[Edited by Ricespotter on 04-19-2001 at 12:06 PM]

[blubimmer]

Originally posted by SlickS2K
An S2000 will rape a boxster around a roadcourse and on a drag strip. BoxsterS is another story, but also 30K more so both you guys need to get off your high horses and quit dissing imports, or ricerockets as you call them.

get your thumb out of your butthole and read my post again....please show me where I dissed an import.
My diss is directed SOLEY to people who compare a car on what it can do in a 1/4 mile, or some other lame ass drag race.
I'd also like you to show me where I used the term "ricerockets"
Nobody dissed an S2K either, but I see by your name that you must have one, so I can see you have the need to pump yourself up by talking about the car you have.

Shouldn't there be at least a reading/comprehension test before you can post to a discussion board? You would never have passed I know that.

[Edited by blubimmer on 04-19-2001 at 12:08 PM]

[coos]

Well since the question was Boxter vs. eclipse. An eclipse GSX will beat a boxter in 1/4 mile, and autocross. The AWD will eat the boxter up. if anyone wants to find out, we can race.

[SlickS2K]

Blubimmer - Ok, so who and what cars were you referring to when you said, "rice community?"
Ricespotter said, "rice rocket." Do I have to specifically pick out one of you guys to quote each time? I apologize, next time I won't lump people into the same group. Seems to me you both had the same idea about Eastern rice mobiles.
You say the boxster is so great in a road course, and this and that, to stop comparing apples and oranges, but a TypeR can hang with a baseline Boxster at an autoX for 30k less. How about a miata, mini autoX king. You diss straight line racing, but is that not part of the appeal of a sports car? To have the total package?

I was never trying to put my car up and make it like its this and that, but it will rape a boxster in a road course. Its true, its true... For 40k-50k there are a lot better performance cars out there than a boxster. C5 corvette will annihilate a boxster, not to mention the Z06 which is about 50k with 400hp and sports suspension. What about Boxster S you say? For a fully equipped, fully loaded one your looking at around 70k... ridicules. Either throw in a few more G's and get a real Porsche or 10k more and get a Viper, its a drop top too... IMHO not a flame war.

Oh, and I did just happen to go on a drive with about 30 boxsters, and boxsterS' with a bunch of S2000's at a planned meet. How many of the boxster owners did you think were in the 40-50 year old, snobby, mid-life crisis, yuppie crowd. What was supposed to be a high speed romp up a mountain road, turned into a pos ville, "lets keep it under 30mph" boxster led walk through a park. How many times do you think we got stuck behind a boxster going up the mountain? Boring as hell... Now at an all S2k meet, a 35mph zone means 90mph. S2k crowd seems to more of the enthusiasts while the boxsters want to look good driving around. IMHO You would think the same if you were there.

If any of you want to join an S2k meet through the backroads, let me know. Anyone is welcome, the more the merrier, but bring your balls, this aint for the feint of heart.

[ridge]

SlickS2K:
True, most Boxster drivers drives very conservative. Because they are the type of people who put their life savings to buy a Sports Car that they love. Most of them won't push their car over 4,000rpm. lol... but if you have some guy who can afford, not only buying one, but also crashing one, then you have a serious racer here.

Also, most of these mid-age people do not have much knowledge and skills to handle their cars. Eg. At what range to shift so that they can get the most torque out of the engine when they exit a sharp turn...

As for a 500HP Corvette doing road racing, sure they can, but its gonna take a very lucky and skilled driver to exit a corner at 130km/h on a soaking wet track. BTW.. does Corvettes have YAW and TCS? I'm sure they have TCS rite?

[blubimmer]

Originally posted by SlickS2K
Blubimmer - Ok, so who and what cars were you referring to when you said, "rice community?"
i mean the civics with all the vinyl stickers, the neon all over the place, and 6' high wings on the back. The ones who constantly pull up next to me at traffic lights and rev the coffee can exhausts.
Ricespotter said, "rice rocket." Do I have to specifically pick out one of you guys to quote each time? I apologize, next time I won't lump people into the same group. Seems to me you both had the same idea about Eastern rice mobiles.
I was trying to make it clear in my post that I don't hate the Japanese cars. I posted that pic of the Tom's SUpra because it's a friggin' monster of a Japanese car.
You say the boxster is so great in a road course, and this and that, to stop comparing apples and oranges,
I never said that it was "so great." There are a ton of cars that can make better laps than a Boxster. I brought up where they were tested and for what purpose they are built to help make my point about how lame it is to use 1/4 mile times to make a final judgement on a car.
but a TypeR can hang with a baseline Boxster at an autoX for 30k less.
I know all abou the Type R. I see them on the Speedvision Challenges all the time, and they win A LOT. They often beat the 2.8 litre BMWs :(
How about a miata, mini autoX king.
I don't argue that, but c'mon....they are just so damn fugly.
You diss straight line racing, but is that not part of the appeal of a sports car? To have the total package?
This is mainly my point. Ask sports car engineers. They don't build sports cars for straight line acceleration to the point that it overshadows the the way it accellerates out of a turn, the weight distribution, or braking etc. Straight line acceleration is obviously a factor, but a lot less then you think.
I was never trying to put my car up and make it like its this and that, but it will rape a boxster in a road course. Its true, its true...
again, I can't say anything to the contrary, as I have never driven either, nor have I seen either car compete on a road course
C5 corvette will annihilate a boxster,
that's where you are wrong. not the c5. the power:weight distribution is in favor of the Boxster there. I have been looking like mad for this video that is on the web of a c5 getting beat by a boxster on a road course. I didn't believe it myself, but it's true whether you choose to accept it or not. The z06 is a different story I'm sure
What about Boxster S you say? For a fully equipped, fully loaded one your looking at around 70k... ridicules.
To you it may seem silly, but that's all a matter of preference.
Either throw in a few more G's and get a real Porsche
I wasn't aware that Porsche didn't make the Boxster.
Oh, and I did just happen to go on a drive with about 30 boxsters, and boxsterS' with a bunch of S2000's at a planned meet. How many of the boxster owners did you think were in the 40-50 year old, snobby, mid-life crisis, yuppie crowd.
class envy? :P
What was supposed to be a high speed romp up a mountain road, turned into a pos ville, "lets keep it under 30mph" boxster led walk through a park.
I hear ya. I can't stand it when someone buys a car like that and just putters around in it like it's a golf cart. I want to slap people like that!

[Edited by blubimmer on 04-19-2001 at 02:47 PM]

[blubimmer]

sorry about that reply

this board has a STUPID way of doing quotes. It's not like any of the other boards I post to. I have no idea why it does all that indenting

Never mind....fixed it

[Edited by blubimmer on 04-19-2001 at 02:43 PM]

[SlickS2K]

Originally posted by blubimmer
Originally posted by SlickS2K
Blubimmer - Ok, so who and what cars were you referring to when you said, "rice community?"
i mean the civics with all the vinyl stickers, the neon all over the place, and 6' high wings on the back. The ones who constantly pull up next to me at traffic lights and rev the coffee can exhausts.
Hear hear, I'm sick of those cars too, but I thought you meant asian built cars in general.

Ricespotter said, "rice rocket." Do I have to specifically pick out one of you guys to quote each time? I apologize, next time I won't lump people into the same group. Seems to me you both had the same idea about Eastern rice mobiles.
I was trying to make it clear in my post that I don't hate the Japanese cars. I posted that pic of the Tom's SUpra because it's a friggin' monster of a Japanese car.
True.

You say the boxster is so great in a road course, and this and that, to stop comparing apples and oranges,
I never said that it was "so great." There are a ton of cars that can make better laps than a Boxster. I brought up where they were tested and for what purpose they are built to help make my point about how lame it is to use 1/4 mile times to make a final judgement on a car.
but a TypeR can hang with a baseline Boxster at an autoX for 30k less.
I know all abou the Type R. I see them on the Speedvision Challenges all the time, and they win A LOT. They often beat the 2.8 litre BMWs :(
true

How about a miata, mini autoX king.
I don't argue that, but c'mon....they are just so damn fugly.
I thought we were talking about performance, not how a car looks and thats up to people's opinions. I think the miata's a gay man's car though.

You diss straight line racing, but is that not part of the appeal of a sports car? To have the total package?
This is mainly my point. Ask sports car engineers. They don't build sports cars for straight line acceleration to the point that it overshadows the the way it accellerates out of a turn, the weight distribution, or braking etc. Straight line acceleration is obviously a factor, but a lot less then you think.
I didn't say it was the end all be all, but it should be a factor of determining a sports car. Take the aforementioned miata, crappy 1/4 but fast as hell around a track. Wouln't most miata drivers like a lil more punch in their cars? I think so.

I was never trying to put my car up and make it like its this and that, but it will rape a boxster in a road course. Its true, its true...
again, I can't say anything to the contrary, as I have never driven either, nor have I seen either car compete on a road course
I am not 100% sure, but S2000's run with the vettes and cobras... don't know where the boxsters would run though.

C5 corvette will annihilate a boxster,
that's where you are wrong. not the c5. the power:weight distribution is in favor of the Boxster there. I have been looking like mad for this video that is on the web of a c5 getting beat by a boxster on a road course. I didn't believe it myself, but it's true whether you choose to accept it or not. The z06 is a different story I'm sure
any car can be beaten with any driver, but the same skill leveled driving a boxster and vette, the C5 will eat the boxster alive man. 385hp and around 350lb ft. of torque to a 215hp 200lb ft. torque? No way, even if the vette is heavier, if driven correctly it will demolish the little yuppie mobile.

What about Boxster S you say? For a fully equipped, fully loaded one your looking at around 70k... ridicules.
To you it may seem silly, but that's all a matter of preference.
Just like an S2000 has more power, more performance, better suspension, and is 20k less, its all a matter of preference.

Either throw in a few more G's and get a real Porsche
I wasn't aware that Porsche didn't make the Boxster.
Talk to 911 owners and see what they say about the boxster, THEY, don't even like the car.

Oh, and I did just happen to go on a drive with about 30 boxsters, and boxsterS' with a bunch of S2000's at a planned meet. How many of the boxster owners did you think were in the 40-50 year old, snobby, mid-life crisis, yuppie crowd.
class envy? :P
I don't think so. If I wanted a boxster I would've have bought one, but I couldn't justify spending 20k more for 25hp less, crappy suspension, worse performance. Although the boxster does come with a better stereo though. But I'd rather hear a lil four banger wind up to 9000rpm any day.

What was supposed to be a high speed romp up a mountain road, turned into a pos ville, "lets keep it under 30mph" boxster led walk through a park.
I hear ya. I can't stand it when someone buys a car like that and just putters around in it like it's a golf cart. I want to slap people like that!
Majority of boxsters owners do just that... its a Pos Porsche.

[Edited by blubimmer on 04-19-2001 at 02:47 PM]

At least we agree on some things, but I don't get why you are so adamant about defending the performance of the boxster, and the base one at that. That base boxster is a joke. Boxster TypeS is getting better but then your in M3, z06, price range. Although the boxster looks pretty good though, but thats it, looks good. Isn't that the reason why we despise a lot of the rice boys? They spend all this money on looks and nothing on performance. Sounds like 45k+ for 215hp is pretty iffy to me...

[EdwardETraylorIII]

2. Yes, they have a system known as Active Handling which employs Real Time Dampening Via traction, a yaw sensor, and known conditional algorithms.

>As for a 500HP Corvette doing road racing, sure they can, >but its gonna take a very lucky and skilled driver to exit >a corner at 130km/h on a soaking wet track. BTW.. does >Corvettes have YAW and TCS? I'm sure they have TCS rite?

[SlickS2K]

C5 will annihilate a boxsterS period.

Originally posted by EdwardETraylorIII

C5 will annihilate a boxsterS period.

2. Yes, they have a system known as Active Handling which employs Real Time Dampening Via traction, a yaw sensor, and known conditional algorithms.

>As for a 500HP Corvette doing road racing, sure they can, >but its gonna take a very lucky and skilled driver to exit >a corner at 130km/h on a soaking wet track. BTW.. does >Corvettes have YAW and TCS? I'm sure they have TCS rite?



And pretty much any car out there period. Gotta give it up to Chevy, Corvettes are f'ing fast. But I betcha its hell, trying to go full tilt in em on the road though. Just too much damn power and weight to be safe going all out around turns and corners for the average driver.

[blubimmer]

I'm only defending it to the level that you (and others) are way off calling it a POS.
I wouldn't want a Boxster myself. If I were going to buy a topless car, I'd get an ///M Z3. That little car with a 3.2 litre in it is nuts.


A L S O I was hunting for that video I said I saw of the Boxster making better lap times than a stock C5....I asked around on a couple other boards that I post to regularly and it wasn't a Boxster, it was a BMW M Z3. I have a couple people helping me look for that video so I can post it...my bad.

[SlickS2K]

The M roadster chassis is two generations old, outdated. The M coupe is a decent car but it looks like an elf shoe.

If your planning to get the M roadster, the next one is coming with the new M3 engine, with slightly less hp at 315. Sounds like its going to be a monster of a drop top, but by the time it arrives in the states I will be in a blownS2k hehe

[ridge]

Elf Shoe? Finally, something we both can agree on. :)

If I were to get a Topless car. I would have gotten a S2K as well, simply because that car is more suitable of us young adults age range. And the fact that I rarely drive on twistly, not many in my area :( ... Also there are more aftermarket stuff for the S2K.

I've heard some Boxster ppl got a S.Charger for their boxster. They got a decent 70HP boost, however their motor blew after a year.

do you know if a S2K motor can take some boost, say 20PSI? Without blowing the motor for at least 200,000 km?

[Ricespotter]

Originally posted by SlickS2K
Either throw in a few more G's and get a real Porsche or 10k more and get a Viper, its a drop top too... IMHO not a flame war.


what's that supposed to mean? everyone i know that has a Boxster paid betwen $40,000 and $55,000 for their car (depending on whether it was baseline or an "S")

"real" Porsches are ones with the Porsche crest on the hood... Boxsters are just as "real" as the 356, the 917, and all the other Porsche classics.

[Brian]

Originally posted by SlickS2K
Either throw in a few more G's and get a real Porsche or 10k more and get a Viper, its a drop top too... IMHO not a flame war.


Want to race me in my "fake" Porsche? Come on, it'll be fun showing you that every Porsche has a place on the track, I'll even wave as I pass you.

;-)

Seriously, S2K's are great little car's, but for an average driver, and face it, no one on this board is the second coming of Senna, it's a damn tough car to drive fast. I've got nothing against the car, I drive its big brother everyday. I even test drove a few when they first came out. Have to say though, it's close to impossible to duplicate the mag's 0-60 times. Even dropping the clutch from some insane RPM's. Unless you're on a perfect surface, that cars a lot slower than the mag's say. Though it sounds awesome.

Personally, I'd take a Boxster S over one anyday of the week. Lot to be said for some torque. Race those two cars from a slow rolling start and the Boxster would walk away from the torque-less wonder. Road racing's a little different as you can keep the rev's up. The lack of torque isn't as evident.

[SlickS2K]

Originally posted by Brian
Originally posted by SlickS2K
Either throw in a few more G's and get a real Porsche or 10k more and get a Viper, its a drop top too... IMHO not a flame war.


Want to race me in my "fake" Porsche? Come on, it'll be fun showing you that every Porsche has a place on the track, I'll even wave as I pass you.

;-)

Seriously, S2K's are great little car's, but for an average driver, and face it, no one on this board is the second coming of Senna, it's a damn tough car to drive fast. I've got nothing against the car, I drive its big brother everyday. I even test drove a few when they first came out. Have to say though, it's close to impossible to duplicate the mag's 0-60 times. Even dropping the clutch from some insane RPM's. Unless you're on a perfect surface, that cars a lot slower than the mag's say. Though it sounds awesome.

Personally, I'd take a Boxster S over one anyday of the week. Lot to be said for some torque. Race those two cars from a slow rolling start and the Boxster would walk away from the torque-less wonder. Road racing's a little different as you can keep the rev's up. The lack of torque isn't as evident.



Ahhhhh Ricespotter - finally saw your sig.... no offense ever intended your way man. Yes a boxster is made by Porsche, I agree.

Brian

I admit, getting a good launch in the S is pretty tough, but getting 5.5 0-60 and lower is attainable with pratice. And you can't do 8k-9k clutch dumps because you'll get too much tire spin - yes tire spin. From my numerous tests in my own car, and a few times with a G-tech low to mid 5's aren't that hard to duplicate. But, you can't be launching from 8k-9k, its more like 6k-7k to break the tires loose, without too much spinning. Depending on road condition and tire wear, I've found that about 6.5-7.5k seem to be the optimal launch rpm. And this is all from real world experience, and not magazine times. A few other S2k owners have done G-tech launches with similar results so its just not me either.

As for rather owning a Boxster S, so would I, but not for 30k more dude. In CA, used regular boxster's go for 40k and up. If you wanted a Boxster S with all the amenities, its going to run you over 60k-70k man, no joking. The Porche option packages will rape you silly.

And an S2k from a rolling start? Your kidding right? Thats one the S2000's main attributes because I can be in vtech all the way and not worry about getting a good launch. A rolling start from 20mph and I can start in 1st at about 6k rpm and take a lot of cars out there period, let alone a boxster S. I've gone up against a few boxster S' on the freeway and it was all good races. The outcome all depended on who got the jump, and if I was in the right gear at the right time. No way a Boxster S will walk an S2k everytime cuzz I've beaten a few of them. Not to say I beat them all but its a fairly close race, with evenly matched cars. I just have about 30k more in my bank acct. thats all.

You sound like a quote from a magazine dude. "Torqueless wonder" this and that, but the torque curve on an S is basically flat throughout. Its not peaky as everyone thinks it is. On your test drive, did the dealer let you ring it out? I'm guessing not because your not supposed to go near 6k rpm during the 600m break in period. And no torque being less evident in a road race? Your kidding right? Torque is what will save you from mistakes in a road race. Make a mistake on a turn, power out. Make a mistake braking to hard, power out. Now, doing this in a S2000 will be harder because you have to keep the car in vtech all the time, and I admit not your everyday driver can do this, but this is half the fun and half the challenge. More torque, easier to correct mistakes. Too much torque can be a hindrance also, but you can go slower into a turn, and power out and down the straight harder. Keeping the S2k in a vtech range all the time is a challenge that not all people can do, but do it right and you can keep up with the best of them....

Sounds like you own an NSX huh? Tight car, would've been one of my choices too but the new is coming soon...

[SlickS2K]

And, I never said anything about a 944 turbo being a fake Porsche man... boxster I have a different opinion, but everyone is entitled to an opinion. You said it yourself, you would rather have at least the boxster S, why is that?

[Brian]

Originally posted by SlickS2K
And, I never said anything about a 944 turbo being a fake Porsche man... boxster I have a different opinion, but everyone is entitled to an opinion. You said it yourself, you would rather have at least the boxster S, why is that?

Sorry man, get a little sensitive to the whole "real" Porsche debate. And yes, I'd take a Boxster S over an S2K. Probably even take a standard Boxster over the S2K. Its just easier to drove on the street. Maybe not quite as fast at the limit. But you can't drive on the limit on the street. Over my 944 Turbo? Not a chance.

Brian

[SlickS2K]

Originally posted by Brian
Originally posted by SlickS2K
And, I never said anything about a 944 turbo being a fake Porsche man... boxster I have a different opinion, but everyone is entitled to an opinion. You said it yourself, you would rather have at least the boxster S, why is that?

Sorry man, get a little sensitive to the whole "real" Porsche debate. And yes, I'd take a Boxster S over an S2K. Probably even take a standard Boxster over the S2K. Its just easier to drove on the street. Maybe not quite as fast at the limit. But you can't drive on the limit on the street. Over my 944 Turbo? Not a chance.

Brian

But why would you want to limit yourself? ;)