killed a 02 S/C'ed Vette last night..over and over again

[300ZXTT]

me-
92 300zxTT
JWT POP charger
JWT ECU
B&B 3.5 inch quad oval exhaust
Test pipes
gutted precats
greddy profec E01 at 14PSI (i hate the damn thing..stupid POS)
Twin HKS SS BOVS
RPS SPort street clutch

vette-
test pipes, exhaust, superchareged...thats all i got outa him...

so yeah..i'm just driving and i come up to a light..red..goes green..i dont go cause i'm looking for people to race..vette pulls up next to me...on my right..revs it..whistling...he nods...i nod..he starts reving it up again..light goes red....he edges forward an inch..revs it more..i rev it to 1500...perpindicular light goes yellow...i rev some more, then bring it to 3200... our light goes green i launch and we're off..my nose is right behind his front wheels up through 2nd..then we hit 3rd and i start pulling on him.. at about 105 i go to 4th and i'm about 1 car length ahead of him...i slow down after the top of fourth..we do this like 5 times a little different in the begging..he was always a little in front...but i always ended up walking him after i hit 3rd gear...then we pull over and talk...awesome night..all i was stuck with that night was racing acuras and hondas...hell, i'll race anything but i enjoy an actual challenge...i just cant wait till i get upgraded turbos and port my whole intake system including my turbos... yeah, camaros and mustangs and ta's are nothing..they may pull a little in the begging, but i just walk em..this s/c'ed vette has been my biggest challenge yet..a little faster than a viper i raced once with just exhaust and some other minor things...hell, i'll pull ahead of anyone if they are a shitty driver..but these guys are pretty good...god i love boost..

[NotAMonte86]

Interesting... 14psi... what's stock boost on a TT Z?
You can walk quick cars with your stock turbos? Where do you live? I'm sure there are some people on this site who are looking to get walked.

[300ZXTT]

pleasent hill... stock boost is 9psi..from both turbos..each turbo powers its own bank of 3 cylinders...where you at? oh, and btw..i'm not some guy who thinks he has the most powerfull car..i understand that there are faster people out there..i'm relativly new to this whole thing..i'm just sharing my experiences...

[Moparwagonz]

what e/ts are you running with that set up?

[472 mach 1]

I am up for a run with one of those slow Mustangs. And I'm only in Sacramento. Its one of those old heavy ones too.

[Ike]

If you're in so cal I got someone with a vette that would love to run you.

[DA6GSR]

The TT must have a hell of a lot of lightening done. I know of many that are modified the same as he is and only pulling low 13/high 12 second in the 1/4. I am thinking that a decently tuned 02 vette with supercharger is gonna be a low 12/high 11 car.

[300ZXTT]

nope..no weight reductions...just a lot of top end power...and (0 o)..i'm sure you do have a friend..this isn't some ego contest...god...i was just telling a story...i'm sure there are a ton of cars out there..maybe this guy didn't have that many mods as other s/c'ed vettes do..and yeah i got a lot of weight..3700...but its still fast as all hell..

[DA6GSR]

:bsflag:

[300ZXTT]

hehe..bs? why do you say that? oh because 450 horse power and 470 lb/tq isn't that much? not enough to beat a s/c'ed corvette?

[472 mach 1]

On this site you'll have to realize that most of these guys don't believe fast cars exist outside of magazines. And by fast I mean if it runs under 13's according to them. Pretty sad huh?

[Ike]

nope..no weight reductions...just a lot of top end power...and (0 o)..i'm sure you do have a friend..this isn't some ego contest...god...i was just telling a story...i'm sure there are a ton of cars out there..maybe this guy didn't have that many mods as other s/c'ed vettes do..and yeah i got a lot of weight..3700...but its still fast as all hell..

Hmm... Don't get pissy with me because people don't kiss your ass over your kill story, and I don't think you got it the first time, but I was calling BS on you. :rolleyes:

1.) You don't have 450 / 470 HP.
2.) Chip / Exhaust / Air Filters / gutting your cat's / blah blah blah won't net you almost 200 HP or 200 LBS-FT, I don't care what the box says, sorry.
3.) Factor in the age of the car and realize that it doesn't have as much power as it did stock, and then you've got an even longer way to reaching your goal.
4.) An SC LS-1 (Assuming it's an LS-1) Vette SHOULD run mid-12"s - mid-11"s depending on other mods, and the fastest street 300ZXs (93+) runs about 11"s (last I checked), and that's with massive engine work, since you have yet to even go into the engine, I'll leave you to think about that one.
5.) Those 11 second 300zx's all have performed weight reduction, once again I'll leave you to think about that one.
6.) After reading these, please refer to #1.

Either you're full of shit or you were racing an empty car, anyway you cut it you're a palmer. I'm all down for kill stories, but when someone makes one such an obvious lie it's hard to keep my mouth shut.

Just remember, being a legend in your own mind stays in your own mind, have a nice day :love:

[king0f@llR@cers]

:eek6: damn

[DA6GSR]

I am glad I am not the only one who called BS. :holla:

[MistaFosta]

Considering I live in pleasant hill, and Ive built a 300zxtt to many stages, Ill inform you that you would be LUCKY to get 350 to the wheels with your setup, and if u racing a SCd 02 vette, he really didnt know what he was doing, or its FUCKED up.

I know 300zxs. You would be lucky to get 12.90s with your current setup. With the Z in my garage, we are hoping for 500-700 hp, depending on gas, and aiming for a mid to low 11.

This isn't Scott or Johnny is it? Doesnt sound like either of you. If you want people to NOT call bullshit on you, PM me, we can meet up for a race or two, and Ill vouch for you if you can beat some fast cars.

[300ZXTT]

first off..my car is 300 hp stock..317 tq stock.. then i have one of the most freeflowing exhaust systems for the 300zx, test pipes, gutted cats, ecu, boost controller and intake...yeah..i'm sure that'll get me up to around 450...maybe not...as for rear wheel horse power, i'm running 345 hp 360 tq..vettes aren't that great of sports cars..unless you get into the engine..they also have a poorly built drivetrain and loose a lot of power once it reaches the wheels...i dont bs..there is no point..i plan on meeting people from this site..again, i'm not here to say i have the best car..everyone is getting all defensive... and please, i know plenty (3 or 4) 600+ rwhp/rwtq z's out there...and also, of coarse the drag times arn't that great...this isn't a drag car..it wasn't built for that...its real power is after 80-90mph..and thats where i pull ahead on everyone..well, everyone that i've raced..hell, i raced a lt1 today..not sure on year, but that was a piece of cake..looked to be exuast..all i can tell..

[MauriSSio]

its real power is after 80-90mph

what kind of gearing do you have that the car doesnt really start pulling till those speeds? dont be one of those guys that say "i got killer top end" it makes you sound like a noob or worse yet a ricer. It sounds to me like either your car is a monster or youre racing some really bad drivers,im not a 300zx owner so i cant comment too much on that aspect of the conversation.Just wonderin what size engines do those cars have?gearing (Ratios)? what valvetrain layout is it (OHV,SOHC,DOHC)?? Head flow numbers anyone?ive always wondered how well built those cars are/were. THNX

[DA6GSR]

what kind of gearing do you have that the car doesnt really start pulling till those speeds? dont be one of those guys that say "i got killer top end" it makes you sound like a noob or worse yet a ricer. It sounds to me like either your car is a monster or youre racing some really bad drivers,im not a 300zx owner so i cant comment too much on that aspect of the conversation.Just wonderin what size engines do those cars have?gearing (Ratios)? what valvetrain layout is it (OHV,SOHC,DOHC)?? Head flow numbers anyone?ive always wondered how well built those cars are/were. THNX

they have a VG30DETT 3.0 liter engine(twin turbo). They are DOHC. I cant find the gear ratios or flow numbers of the stock heads.

really bad drivers is the most likely thing.

[Moloko]

1st 3.214

2nd 1.925

3rd 1.302

4th 1.000

5th 0.752



Reverse 3.369

[Ike]

vettes aren't that great of sports cars..unless you get into the engine..they also have a poorly built drivetrain and loose a lot of power once it reaches the wheels...

Dear God, when will the stupidity end...

[300ZXTT]

alright..you think i'm some kind of ricer? wtf is this crap about me getting an intake? jesus..its a fucking mod..and like i said i'm new to this stuff.. and for the billionth time... I DONT THINK MY CAR IS THE FASTEST..I'M JUST STATING MY EXPERIENCES..HOW EVER SHITTY THE DRIVER WAS.. i'm not some stupid noob..god...believe me, i hate ricers...a 300zx is not a ricy car..nor is a 3000gt, rx7, supra, skyline..they are imports yes, but not ricy..and a z06 with an ls6 engine is different than a ls1 engine..diffferent' powertrain..i never wanted any import..i wanted to get a 98+ TA..and i probably still will..those horse power ratings are what i was told by people on another forum...maybe i miss read them..i was mistaken..i do know though, and i have various dyno sheets to prove that i am pushing atleast 317 hp and 350 tq to the rear wheels.. after i fixed my boost leaks..i was told i had another 30 horsepower and about 10 tq to get...to the rear wheel...and yes, they pull harder relative to most other cars

[LIL SS]

Dear ricer friend,

I think you should do some homework on LS1tech.com in regards to not so great sportscars like the corvette. They only put out about 315rwhp (360ish crankhp) stock and weight about 3100-3200lbs making stock passes in the 12.5-12.9 range with a decent driver. When mild bolt ons and a blower, they only put down around 425-450rwhp (490ish crank hp) making passes in the 11.x to 11.50 range with a decent driver and traction.

So you have 345rwhp (450 crank hp??) and 360tq. ot very eficient you think (23% drive train loss???) You weight 3700lbs.

I'm not doubting your story, they could drive like shit. I'm doubting your over inflated numbers. I'm doubting your knowledge and think your over looking what other cars can do.. How do you feel about mustang cobra's?? Or any other GM car for that matter..

[k.]

Seriously, if your car was fast, and you did live in Pleasant Hill, I think some of us would have heard about you already. But since no one in that area can seem to vouch for you, I have to agree on the BS.

~k.

[Ike]

alright..you think i'm some kind of ricer? wtf is this crap about me getting an intake? jesus..its a fucking mod..and like i said i'm new to this stuff.. and for the billionth time... I DONT THINK MY CAR IS THE FASTEST..I'M JUST STATING MY EXPERIENCES..HOW EVER SHITTY THE DRIVER WAS.. i'm not some stupid noob..god...believe me, i hate ricers...a 300zx is not a ricy car..nor is a 3000gt, rx7, supra, skyline..they are imports yes, but not ricy..and a z06 with an ls6 engine is different than a ls1 engine..diffferent' powertrain..i never wanted any import..i wanted to get a 98+ TA..and i probably still will..those horse power ratings are what i was told by people on another forum...maybe i miss read them..i was mistaken..i do know though, and i have various dyno sheets to prove that i am pushing atleast 317 hp and 350 tq to the rear wheels.. after i fixed my boost leaks..i was told i had another 30 horsepower and about 10 tq to get...to the rear wheel...and yes, they pull harder relative to most other cars

An LS-1 and an LS-6 are the same engine, just a different intake manifold.
A Z06 has a stroked LS-1 (with other bells and whistles), but once again it's the same engine. 317 / 350 TQ? You do realize thats about stock for the C5 Vette, and if it's supercharged it more than likely has around 400/450... if not more with other mods.

The 300zx hasn't been as popular in the past couple of years for alot of reasons, 1. being that they aren't getting any younger, 2. it's the automotive equivalent of an elephant, and 3. There are faster, better, and cheaper platforms out there. I'm not saying they're the worst thing in the world, however if you decide to take one on as a project you have alot going against you.

All I'm saying is that you're underestimating the Y-body, and should seriously re-evaluate your stance on cars.

[LIL SS]

[QUOTE=_|_ (0_o) _|_]An LS-1 and an LS-6 are the same engine, just a different intake manifold.
A Z06 has a stroked LS-1 (with other bells and whistles), but once again it's the same engine. 317 / 350 TQ? You do realize thats about stock for the C5 Vette, and if it's supercharged it more than likely has around 400/450... if not more with other mods. [QUOTE]


You need to do some homework too..

LS1/LS6: Main difference is heads!! LS1 has LS1 heads, LS6 has LS6 heads. Later model LS1's came with LS6 intake (01-02). Some 01 and all 02 f-bods came with the LS6 rotating assembly and block. LS6's also have a different cam shaft than the LS1. Other than that they are the same. The LS6 is not a stroked motor from the factory. C5's and F-bods have the same setup. ZO6's are the only ones that got the full LS6.

[300ZXTT]

ok..that is what i've been saying..i'm relativly new..i know the car is heavy..all i can say is what i go by..and about the corvette..what i was saying was meant to be relative to other cars i've seen it up against.i've always wanted a corvette..i love them..they are beautiful cars and i will probably have one i my collection if i am so lucky to have a nice income. also, base corvette has 350 hp at the crank..z06 is 405 at the crank..with 375tq at crank for base and 400 at crank for z06..the base modle has 60 more tq than me stock..and 50 more hp stock..both at the crank...he was supercharged..i am a low stage 5..high stage 4...about the mustang...i'm sorry, but the chevy motors are far superior to anythying ford can make for a sports car... as for the cobra..the 2003 or whatever, 2004..whichever one it is with like 390 hp supercharged..that'll hand me my ass at the line...but i caught up to him and passed him...its just a fact...the turbo power kicks in later..its lagged..where as superchargers dont put out as much power, but they are constantly running..in most cases..now, i dont want to make enemies, thats not the reason i came here..so maybe he is a shitty driver and on top of it, i bought a pos...but, i thought the point of this forum was for sport car enthusiests..who like to race..or build up their car for shows..or whatever..not to flame the new guy..especially when i've admitted i'm new and probably am wrong aobut something

[Ike]

[QUOTE=_|_ (0_o) _|_]An LS-1 and an LS-6 are the same engine, just a different intake manifold.
A Z06 has a stroked LS-1 (with other bells and whistles), but once again it's the same engine. 317 / 350 TQ? You do realize thats about stock for the C5 Vette, and if it's supercharged it more than likely has around 400/450... if not more with other mods. [QUOTE]


You need to do some homework too..

LS1/LS6: Main difference is heads!! LS1 has LS1 heads, LS6 has LS6 heads. Later model LS1's came with LS6 intake (01-02). Some 01 and all 02 f-bods came with the LS6 rotating assembly and block. LS6's also have a different cam shaft than the LS1. Other than that they are the same. The LS6 is not a stroked motor from the factory. C5's and F-bods have the same setup. ZO6's are the only ones that got the full LS6.

2000+ LS1s ALL had the LS6 intake and block (the sleeved block). Thats why the HP was bumped up 5 from previous years. No one said the LS6 was stroked, I said the Z06's engine was stroked. The LS-1 and the LS-6 are the same engine. The only aspect I left out was the heads, however I have covered this topic time and time again in various posts.

Granted, I did leave it out, and was a fault of my own.

[Ike]

Ooops, "every LS1 CAR had the sleeved block" I don't know about the trucks.

[LIL SS]

You are sooo off base still!! Give me a few minutes and I'll have it ALL spelled out for you. You obviously don't know your LS1 data. I live breath and shit LS1's as that is what I own.

[FanaticalKilla]

Thats what he owns also. :hehe:

[Fastback33]

"i'm not some stupid noob..god...believe me,"
"and like i said i'm new to this stuff"

....

[LIL SS]

Thats what he owns also. :hehe:


Really.. Then he obviously needs to do some more homework for them..

LS1/LS6 stock rotating assemly has 3.9 Bore + 3.662 Stroke = 346ci

Difference between LS1 and LS6 block (Care of GM High Tech): LS1 blocks have a 28.5 mm ventilation hole drilled through the center of all 5 bulkheads, close to the crank, for bay-to-bay breathing. LS6's have a much larger cast in holes (or "cast-in hone-over hole travel vent window" in GM talk) through the 2,3, and 4 bulkheads towards the bottom of the cylinder bores on both sides. According to GM, the 2,3, and 4 bulheads are the only ones that have an affect on bay-to-bay breathing. This change created 87% more ventilation over the LS1 block and less pumping loss at high RPM's. No official HP gains were reported, but the end factor is that the LS6 blocks durability was increased drastically over the LS1 block.

97-00 LS1 cam specs 198/209 duration .498/.497 lift 119LSA

01-present LS1 cam specs 196/208 .464/.479 115LSA (Same as the 5.3 truck cam)

01 Z06 Cam Specs 204/211 525/525 116.0

02-present LS6 Cam Specs 204/218 551/547 117.5

98-00 LS1 had the LS1 intake which had the EGR provision

01-present LS1 has the LS6 intake

98 LS1/LS6 had 28.8lb injectors

99-00 LS1 had 26.6lb injectors

01-present LS1 has 28.6lb injectors

98-early 01 C5's and F-body's had the LS1 block

late 01-present C5's and F-body's have the LS6 block

01-present LS1's got the LS6 oil pump

01-present LS1's got revised rings do to oil consumption

98-00 F-body had a tubular manifold

01-02 F-body had a standard manifold that actually out flowed the previous 98-00

C5 and Z06 have different exhaust manifolds


Your LS1/6 history in a nut shell. :joshers:

[LIL SS]

Sorry to Hijack the originalpost, but I hate when wrong info is spread.

[MauriSSio]

and yes, they pull harder relative to most other cars

with comments like that youre gonna get labeled a ricer.For example,a 300HP TT 300zx wont pull any harder then a 300HP LT1 F-body,given the same( or at least close enough) gear ratios and weight.Granted some cars ARE peaky-er than others for the most part street cars have pretty damned linear powerbands.

[LIL SS]

LT what, I don't know if I agree that the new ford 5.4 is a better motor than a LS1/6.. Maybe you could start a thread that we could discuss this in under muscle car chat.

[LIL SS]

LTwhat, Check your PM's and muscle car chat..

[Dayzii]

whoa whoa, geezus, who cares that a lil TT(well not so light) 300zx beat a vette, beat a GenII 5L the other day on the freeway, i was quite supprised considering i got a lil 2L TT with only 210hp, obviously there were aditional factors like weight of my car versus a 4 door familiy sized V8,

My point is dont be so quick to call BS, As i think that there are other unknown factors in this [/I]story[/I], like the vette could have had a heap of people in the car or something like that.... I think he did beat a vette but i dont think we have the full story

[Ike]

The moment's over; now get the fuck out.

I agree with Colin. Lil 'SS , my apologies for the lack of nitpicking skills that you possess, I do applaud your reading skills, you have definately earned your gold star for the day. I am truly, deeply, sorry that I don't have the strange fanatical romance for the engine in my car that you possess, and the plethora of variants devised from it. :rolleyes:

Also, the Ford 5.4 is definately more advanced than anything in the Chevy production camp ATM, (the 5.0 Cammer is nice as well) but I'd like to see the 5.4 go against the LS2; that should be a good match up, unless bookworm has a problem with that statement as well?

[XplicitGST]

Funny how he claims more hp and torque then my friends 300zx with alot more mods and turbo upgrades. All this on only 14psi. Wow you car must be getting pushed down the road by the hands of god to be walking supercharged vettes.

[MistaFosta]

Considering I live in pleasant hill,. If you want people to NOT call bullshit on you, PM me, we can meet up for a race or two, and Ill vouch for you if you can beat some fast cars.


I repeat...

[Ike]

Much thanks LT

[300ZXTT]

alright..how about you guys just forget i ever said anything..alright? i beat a supercharged vette...why? because he sucked at driving? yeah..because he sucked at driving...he had to suck at driving because my cars a piece of shit..i dont understand why most of you people are mimicing me saying i have "l33t twin turbos" when i stated the exact opposite? that i'm sure i odnt have the fastest car...whatever..you guys are too egotistical..

[LIL SS]

I agree with Colin. Lil 'SS , my apologies for the lack of nitpicking skills that you possess, I do applaud your reading skills, you have definately earned your gold star for the day. I am truly, deeply, sorry that I don't have the strange fanatical romance for the engine in my car that you possess, and the plethora of variants devised from it. :rolleyes:

Also, the Ford 5.4 is definately more advanced than anything in the Chevy production camp ATM, (the 5.0 Cammer is nice as well) but I'd like to see the 5.4 go against the LS2; that should be a good match up, unless bookworm has a problem with that statement as well?



Look man. I'm not trying to be a dick here. I don't like people to be misinformed and spreading BS. It does no one good. It makes you look like a fool and gives the other person wrong info and they end up looking like a fool as well. It's nothing personal towards you, but it didn't seem you wanted to learn something about your own motor family. I just thought I would mention some hard FACTS about the LS1/6 powered vehicles. I like to share good factual knowledge and not BS. I hope you understand where I am coming from.

[LIL SS]

Good english huh.. Getting tired, hope that made sense..

[Ike]

Well I'm in the same boat as you with getting tired. The sleeved block observation wasn't wrong, however it wasn't as in depth (and I appreciate it) as yours. The point I was trying to make in the beginning is that most of the performance engines Chevy has been pushing in its cars for the last however many years were based off of the Chevy 350 platform.

I do enjoy learning about it, I just get pissy, especially wne I am at school (which I was at the time).

Thanks for the info.

[BigBlockBB6]

. . . If I want fiction, I'll pick up a copy of Sport Compact Car.

Rob

If you want fiction, I'll tell you a C5 get's good gas milage, back off that magazine, just because a 2.0L Honda R beat a Mustang 4.6L GT on the track doesn't mean you can call the rag lies.

[BigBlockBB6]

Go ahead and tell me they don't. You have one to back up the claims? No? Well guess who does?

Here's a hint. He's the same guy who's about to tell you that he can get 30+ on the highway.

My average is 26.X right now.

Why did you buy a C5 then, if you avergage 26 miles to the gallon you must drive it like a nanny.

I know for a fact that the car doen't really get good gas milage unless you skip gears, and keep your foot away from that gas pedal.

[BigBlockBB6]

I mostly am on the freeway so I'm so sorry if weaving in and out of cars on the freeway or doing 120mph flybys on unsuspecting motorists, irresponsible ricer style, is not something I want to do in an attempt to burn more gas and make me look like I deserve to have such a car in your eyes. Or maybe I should just drag launch from every stoplight on my way and back from the freeway? Yeah, cops love exhibitions! Do yourself a favor and stay out of my way on this board.

Rob


First of all I don't need to stay out of your way on this board. Secondly, you can only assume I drive like the idiot you describe, in reality I probably drive way safer then you would imagine. And come on, we both know a C5 Vette is not a gas miser and although you can drive it like a nanny to get decent fuel economy out of it, it still guzzles the petrol, although when racer ricer goes out "Street Racing" the car still only uses a small portion of the crude you consume in your v8 powered machine.

[Ike]

First of all I don't need to stay out of your way on this board. Secondly, you can only assume I drive like the idiot you describe, in reality I probably drive way safer then you would imagine. And come on, we both know a C5 Vette is not a gas miser and although you can drive it like a nanny to get decent fuel economy out of it, it still guzzles the petrol, although when racer ricer goes out "Street Racing" the car still only uses a small portion of the crude you consume in your v8 powered machine. Remember, as performance increases, reliability decreases. This is true for 99.9999% of cars. The difference being that 8 will have less problems (including, oh, loss of gas mileage) down the road because many cars equipped with an 8 are performance engineered from the factory, therefore they respond to modifications better, as opposed to a POS designed for economy, aka the Civic, etc. This has been gone over a million times on this board, so just look it up, I don't feel like repeating it for a Nth time.

Using the terms "petrol" and "crude" ? Are you European? If so how often do you even get to see a C5 in any form, let alone a Z06 or something of that nature besides what was used in GIS... Or better yet how often / ever have you driven an 8 cylinder, including a C5 to base your opinions on? Looks like someone telling another to put the magazine down just called the kettle black...

Also, judging from your sig (and posts), you really don't have much room to talk about what a race car is and isn't and to argue the specifics there of.

Finally, I would change the name, it doen't suit you very well.

[FIRESTARTER]

when racer ricer goes out "Street Racing" the car still only uses a small portion of the crude you consume in your v8 powered machine.
please. only if its a honda the ricer guy is driving. if it were an import meant to race, and more importantly, win, it doesnt. since hondas arent really sportscars or cars meant to be raced, ill leave them out. i remember when i used to be as deluded as you, and i actually believed that japanese sports cars or fast cars got better gas mileage when haulin ass...till i sold my 11 second 5.0 mustang and got a turbo mr2. gas mileage was awesome...till the turbo spooled. then gas mileage was just as bad

[BigBlockBB6]

Remember, as performance increases, reliability decreases. This is true for 99.9999% of cars. The difference being that 8 will have less problems (including, oh, loss of gas mileage) down the road because many cars equipped with an 8 are performance engineered from the factory, therefore they respond to modifications better, as opposed to a POS designed for economy, aka the Civic, etc. This has been gone over a million times on this board, so just look it up, I don't feel like repeating it for a Nth time.

Using the terms "petrol" and "crude" ? Are you European? If so how often do you even get to see a C5 in any form, let alone a Z06 or something of that nature besides what was used in GIS... Or better yet how often / ever have you driven an 8 cylinder, including a C5 to base your opinions on? Looks like someone telling another to put the magazine down just called the kettle black...

Also, judging from your sig (and posts), you really don't have much room to talk about what a race car is and isn't and to argue the specifics there of.

Finally, I would change the name, it doen't suit you very well.

First of all I have on more then one occasion been for hell rides in a Z06, secondly, my uncle has a Candy Apple C5 which I have ample access to. So I guess I could say I've seen my share of C5's, even a riced out one. I drive several 8 cylinder vehicles as my company owns 2 V8 powered trucks and as far as all this sheer power and torque you think I have no experience of, I drive daily a 2000 Ford F-350 manual Power Stroke Diesel with ECU upgrades pushing out more torque then a Z06 could dream of. As far as my daily driven car, it's a balanced reliable car which Car & Driver named in it's 10 best.

Speaking of a “POS designed for economy, aka the Civic” isn't the C5 the least reliable car in GM's product line???

[Mr. Bater]

And if you think that a c5 is less reliable than a J body, you should just shoot yourself in the nuts with an elephant tranquilizer so your sperm become permanently asleep disallowing you the privledge of repopulating the world with your crude DNA. Nigga what

[LIL SS]

Also another fact you should look in to. 2 motor producing 300hp with the same 10-1 compression are going to use with in 5% fuel of each other. The more air/fuel in, the more hp (For the most part)..

[HungryHippo]

LS1's get great mileage with the 6 speed. why are you trying to make fun of a car by addressing its mpg? lol

[91LudeSi]

ponders at sig

[Moparwagonz]

LS1's get great mileage with the 6 speed. why are you trying to make fun of a car by addressing its mpg? lol


It's a typical excuse brought up by usually by jealous people with an inferior vehicle, and in this case the original excuse (shitty mpg) does not hold water so another excuse is created (well you have to drive it easy to get good mpg) as you continue to dig for excuses you look lamer and lamer.

[LIL SS]

I'm sure I could make a honda get 15mpg. Drive around @ WOT all the time and I bet it gets shit milage.

[472 mach 1]

When cars make more power, they use more gas. I wonder if thats a big enough hint.

[Jaggorri]

I drive several 8 cylinder vehicles as my company owns 2 V8 powered trucks and as far as all this sheer power and torque you think I have no experience of, I drive daily a 2000 Ford F-350 manual Power Stroke Diesel with ECU upgrades pushing out more torque then a Z06 could dream of.

Just FYI- V8's do not automatically make a vehicle into a race car. If this were the case, then I'd have 6 trucks, 1 Durango, and a Sunbeam Tiger at my disposal to call "Racecars". Not that I would expect you to understand any of the tech that you have been b1tchslapped with, so we'll make this simple- You've never driven one. I'd be willing to bet money that you'd lose control of a purpose built V8 racecar within minutes of putting the rubber to to road on a racetrack. That is the experience that is being spoken of.

As far as my daily driven car, it's a balanced reliable car which Car & Driver named in it's 10 best.

That just means the maker of your daily driver threw less money at C&D than the companies that placed above their car in the "10 best". Hell the Prius is the Car of the year according to Motor Trend. Does that mean it's a suitable for anything other than commuting? Not just no, but hell no.

You are a mouse being batted around by some pretty big cats in this thread kid. It's only a matter of time before they decide to put you out of their misery. It would be better if you just shut up and walked away now.

[xDamieNx]

Speaking of a “POS designed for economy, aka the Civic” isn't the C5 the least reliable car in GM's product line???

That sentence makes no sense at all. Someone says that Hondas are for commuting and you then say a Corvette is unreliable. I guess you obvisouly don't realize the Vette is a top-quality car, and that it would eat just about any stock import. I would recommend changing your name now, as you have disgraced yourself and anyone knowledgeable that drives an import.

[300ZXTT]

Quote:
Originally Posted by XplicitGST
Funny how he claims more hp and torque then my friends 300zx with alot more mods and turbo upgrades. All this on only 14psi. Wow you car must be getting pushed down the road by the hands of god to be walking supercharged vettes.

And here's Eric, beating me to the punch and going down the exact road I was.........

oh please..thats complete crap...if he had turbo upgrades PLUS more mods than me, he would be pushing the 450 RWHP mark at the lowest..i'm talking about mine at the flywheel, on cold night...

[entix]

Secondly, you can only assume I drive like the idiot you describe, in reality I probably drive way safer then you would imagine.

OMG YOU DRIVE LIKE A FUCKING NANNY

[300ZXTT]

"Shut up ricer."
~nick~
why do you think i'm a ricer? i spend my money on mods jack ass..not stickers..i have no body mods whatsoever...and i dont have any interrior work done either...why do you think i'm a ricer? because its an import? god dude...if your into cars, you woudn't just be so close minded as to say all imports are ricers...i like domestics and imports..well, some of both...

[Ike]

I still want to know what was posted previously by another member of the board...


So, fucktard....

what times do you run? Its a simple question, it should be a simple answer.

[300ZXTT]

havn't dragged it yet...for what its worth, other cars with comparable mods run high 12's.. but the true power of this car is shown when its a race from 0-160..not just some short ***** ass race... so..why is intake and exhaust ricy? hmm..what equals more power? more air and more fuel..right? so why not get some more air in there? well then, you have to get it out fast to right? so i got an entire exhaust system. i got a chip.. boost controller.. BOV's.. i'm really glad to hear that no domestic that is worth anything has aftermarket exhaust and intake...

[NotAMonte86]

Rice is a way of life. It's not the parts you put on your car (or paid to have them installed). A 300zx TT is a good car. But you come here claiming 450hp with minor bolt-ons, that's where the problem comes in. And what other cars with similar mods are capable of means nothing. I used to say the same things till I got my car dyno'd and went to the track. It's just not a good idea.

[300ZXTT]

after checking my math on a calculater, i realized that it isn't that high like i stated somewhere above..i have about 400 horsepower with a 18% driveshaft lose..i have had it dyno tested at 328RWHP and 348RWTQ. its funny that you guys call me a ricer when i'm killing modded f-bodys all over the place... i'm not driving a 1.8 liter civic jack ass..i have a 3.0 liter v6.. no..its not a 5.7liter v8..but i'm pushing more power than most cars with that engine.. and the thing that makes a ricer a ricer is that they drop thousands and thousands into their car and they still run 25 second 1/4miles.. i dont call you fucking redneck for owning domestic so why are you calling me a ricer? and rob, when i raced the supercharged corvette..we did most of our runs off of a 40 mph roll off...so when i install my new 555cc injectors and new turbos with everything ported and polished...is that a ricey mod? what is considered not ricey?

[300ZXTT]

wtf is wrong with you people? god.. i came here because i thought i could meet some cool people and talk about cars...all you jackasses care about is if i have a domestic. i have one actually. a 64 GTO convertable.. and i had a 99 TA WS6.. loved it..great low end power..but then i drove a friends stock Twin Turbo Z and knew that it had a lot of potential..so i sold the TA and bought a Twin turbo. i havn't even started that much on it and i've already increased the horsepower by 100 horsepower.. simple mods.. someone come race me in the east bay...and blindarrow..why are you calling me a fucking moron? wtf did i do to you? i'm a cool guy.. i dont get why people on the net act like assholes..

[k.]

i have a honda..with body mods, interior mods, etc. you dont see them calling me a ricer. :)

just fyi...you have no tech, & no one to vouch for you (we have plenty of people from that area of contra costa).

~k. :bs:

[xDamieNx]

You just keep spewing bullshit don't you? You say you have 450hp. THen you say you don't because you 'did the math wrong'. They you say you have 400hp but you had it dynoed at 328hp. Second, you do NOT have a GTO convertible, and if you do it's a fucking piece of shit and has been thrashed beyond repair. If you do have it however, please feel free to post some pictures of it with a penny on the block. Oh, and you didn't beat a Sueprcharged Corvette, there's no fucking way unless he started in 6th gear. A Corvette has 405hp stock, and a supercharger would add a good 50-100 more. You're full of shit. You ask why people are assholes on the internet, well I ask why do people lie on the internet?

[XplicitGST]

Wow it gets better? A 300zx is best racing to 160mph? Since when was a 3700lb car good for top end? 450hp and 470tq, you stated it on the first page, then you say you meant flywheel, now you say you meant 400hp flywheel. On 14psi as you stated and on stock turbos you will not be anywhere near 400hp, flywheel or ground. Just give up already.

[300ZXTT]

no.. i never stated that i had 450 to the rear wheels.. i got 450 from my head.. i was taking into consideration that i had it dynoed at 328RWHP..i did bad math in my head..so i did it on a calculator with an average of 18%drive shaft loss... the car is 300hp stock..flywheel..317tq...not too hard to get another 100 hp out of it..i'll race some of you people..not sure if i'll win, but you can see how it compares..maybe i will win... just gotta fix a leaking injector and some boost leaks i've been having the past couple weeks.. and i can post pictures of the gto..not current ones because its in a shop in washington, but i have pictures of it..it was my dads.. he gave it to me in his will..

[PMC]

ok..that is what i've been saying..i'm relativly new..i know the car is heavy..all i can say is what i go by..and about the corvette..what i was saying was meant to be relative to other cars i've seen it up against.i've always wanted a corvette..i love them..they are beautiful cars and i will probably have one i my collection if i am so lucky to have a nice income. also, base corvette has 350 hp at the crank..z06 is 405 at the crank..with 375tq at crank for base and 400 at crank for z06..the base modle has 60 more tq than me stock..and 50 more hp stock..both at the crank...he was supercharged..i am a low stage 5..high stage 4...about the mustang...i'm sorry, but the chevy motors are far superior to anythying ford can make for a sports car... as for the cobra..the 2003 or whatever, 2004..whichever one it is with like 390 hp supercharged..that'll hand me my ass at the line...but i caught up to him and passed him...its just a fact...the turbo power kicks in later..its lagged..where as superchargers dont put out as much power, but they are constantly running..in most cases..now, i dont want to make enemies, thats not the reason i came here..so maybe he is a shitty driver and on top of it, i bought a pos...but, i thought the point of this forum was for sport car enthusiests..who like to race..or build up their car for shows..or whatever..not to flame the new guy..especially when i've admitted i'm new and probably am wrong aobut something

what color is you 300? cause if this is the one im thinking about i can vouch for it being fast. but pulling on to semi stock stangs isn't much to brag about, be he did walk on us pretty quick. he was an older white guy. and people can vouvh for me on this board, that i kind of know what i'm talking about.

[BigBlockBB6]

This board is full of just plain mean people, I feel for you 300ZXTT, some times you just can't win, and in this case it was a C5! :rofl: Hey there is always people that will doubt you, it's just how often they do it on this board pertains to the the brand of car you drive.

[BOB]

I would have to say that it does not matter what make of car you drive, it's the knowledge, and ability to explain your car and what you have done to it that leads to the conflicts here. We all appreciate a good car. But there have been too many times where keyboard racers come on here and lay out stories that they can't back up. Some people are just more vocal about calling the authors out to explain how their cars beat others. And if the response is something like "well I have a BOV, and a full exhaust; or I have a stage XI clutch"...that just isn't quite enough to convince some members who have years of experience in dealing with the fine creature we call the automobile.

I would like to see more civility to these conversations, but like watching a train wreck, there is always humor to be had in watching someone backpeddle on their original claims.

[NotAMonte86]

It's not just slow ricers that we diss, it's ****y people who think they are faster than they are, and make up fake numbers (HP and ET). Happened today, this dude with an Olds Cutlass w/ a 455...

me: "Is that thing fast?" (I usually ask this question to bait ****y people or ricers)
guy: "What do you think?!" (found one!)
me: "No?"
guy: "Well it's got 500hp, and can do high 12s."
me: "So did you take it to the track, or is that a guesstimate?"
guy: "No, I just got the motor back in."
--more bs'ing, then...
me: "I have a Grand National."
guy: "Oh that's not fair, those are easy to make fast."
--What?! First time EVER a v8 guy has told me my v6 is unfair!
me: "You have a v8! If you want to say it's unfair, you should've bought a Civic."

His car was cool, sounded great and everything, but some people think too much of their cars. A lot of people overestimate.

[BLAH BLA]

It's not just slow ricers that we diss, it's ****y people who think they are faster than they are, and make up fake numbers (HP and ET). Happened today, this dude with an Olds Cutlass w/ a 455...

me: "Is that thing fast?" (I usually ask this question to bait ****y people or ricers)
guy: "What do you think?!" (found one!)
me: "No?"
guy: "Well it's got 500hp, and can do high 12s."
me: "So did you take it to the track, or is that a guesstimate?"
guy: "No, I just got the motor back in."
--more bs'ing, then...
me: "I have a Grand National."
guy: "Oh that's not fair, those are easy to make fast."
--What?! First time EVER a v8 guy has told me my v6 is unfair!
me: "You have a v8! If you want to say it's unfair, you should've bought a Civic."

His car was cool, sounded great and everything, but some people think too much of their cars. A lot of people overestimate.

exactly, what also hurts your credibility is using ricer math......my civic cam with 140hp, add 15 for my cai, 10 for my pullies. another 5 for my splitfire plugs and another ten for my plug wires....add the synthetic oil and takeing into account drivline loss. i should have 220hp. you want people to take you seriously you need to know what you are talking about. either post dyno sheets or shut up, don't tell us what you think it should make. post up timeslips or shut up, don't say things like "it should run". but most of all if you get called out on tech, answer with fact.

[entix]

Wow it gets better? A 300zx is best racing to 160mph? Since when was a 3700lb car good for top end?

sorry to draw away from the fun here, but its been brought up in the past that weight has very little meaning at higher speeds.

[BLAH BLA]

"box top tuner" thats good shit. the faster you go the more aerodynamics will become a factor instead of weight. weight will affect acceleration, given enough room big h/p will eventually get the heaviest of cars hauling ass.

[Fastback33]

no.. i never stated that i had 450 to the rear wheels.. i got 450 from my head.. i was taking into consideration that i had it dynoed at 328RWHP..i did bad math in my head..so i did it on a calculator with an average of 18%drive shaft loss... the car is 300hp stock..flywheel..317tq...not too hard to get another 100 hp out of it..i'll race some of you people..not sure if i'll win, but you can see how it compares..maybe i will win... just gotta fix a leaking injector and some boost leaks i've been having the past couple weeks.. and i can post pictures of the gto..not current ones because its in a shop in washington, but i have pictures of it..it was my dads.. he gave it to me in his will..


What shop would that be??

[gtrownr]

18% loss is rather questionable....ESPECIALLY having tuned the car. Drivetrain loss, as a percentage, is not a linear progression. 18% is also rather high for a stock RWD vehicle. Much more likely you have closer to 12-14% loss with 450+ HP to the wheels.

no.. i never stated that i had 450 to the rear wheels.. i got 450 from my head.. i was taking into consideration that i had it dynoed at 328RWHP..i did bad math in my head..so i did it on a calculator with an average of 18%drive shaft loss... the car is 300hp stock..flywheel..317tq...not too hard to get another 100 hp out of it..i'll race some of you people..not sure if i'll win, but you can see how it compares..maybe i will win... just gotta fix a leaking injector and some boost leaks i've been having the past couple weeks.. and i can post pictures of the gto..not current ones because its in a shop in washington, but i have pictures of it..it was my dads.. he gave it to me in his will..

[472 mach 1]

I've never seen a car with only 12 percent loss. 20 percent is more common.

[gtrownr]

I've never seen a car with only 12 percent loss. 20 percent is more common.

Probably because you are relying on rough estimates often given by dyno shops.

Gain access to an engine dyno and a chassis dyno....run an engine in/engine out sequence and try to tell me 20 percent for a RWD car is more common again.

[gtrownr]

Careful.....

the power difference between these two dyno's (obviously same conditions...10 minutes apart) is ~40 HP at the wheels. The only mechanical difference was an extra 2psi of boost (.15 bar to be exact) obtained by using....you guessed it, a boost controller.

Well....it keeps telling me I've exceeded my upload quota, despite having erased my other attachments. Maybe it will clear later so I can post it....or I can send it directly to you....


You're telling us that your cold air intake, exhaust, boost controller, BOV, and some other cheap ass parts got you 75+hp?

[gtrownr]

Wasn't my intention....but the simple fact is, 20% loss for a RWD performance vehicle (even 18) is high.

It is, and i've seen it. Now, thank you for dragging up a post that finally had died, to be a pompous ass.

[LIL SS]

As always there are too many variables to guess on something like this:

Type of drivetrain: Manual / Auto with a non lock up verter / Auto with a lock up verter
Miles on drivetrain
Type of oils used in the trans and rear
Temp of the oil could greatly change the dyno results
Gears in the rear alone make a huge difference from say 3.42's to 4.10's
The actual rear will make a difference, a 10 bolt chevy to a ford 9"

To assume anything on this with out knowing all the variables is just a guess. The only real way to know if dyno it both ways.

[gtrownr]

I actually found that Redline Shockproof (82-50) in the diffs can actually cost me a few HP because its so damn thick....although it is a bit hard to tell seeing as the 2-3% variation per run on the average dyno will swallow most of the results.

...by the way...anyone want to tell me why I can't post a pic of my dyno despite erasing all of my previous uploaded images? It still tells me I'm something like 26k over my quota.....

Drivetrain loss is very subjective. Industry estimates are based on a purely stock car.....and they vary from car to car, and if you tune it, it goes right out the window (DT losses don't vary linearly with power outputs) DT losses actually decrease as a percentage when you increase the engine output (so long as your drivetrain remains largely the same....)

I've seen it with my own eyes. Corvettes baselined, then had all lubricants changed to Redline, picked up around 5hp on the roller.

[LIL SS]

Rob,
I could agree with your findings of picking up 5rwhp with different oils.

Would you agree that if on the same dyno same day, you took that M6 vette and paired it against 2 auto's auto vettes, one with 2.73's and an one with 3.23's and made 1 pull for the M6 and 2 pulls on both auto's, 1 with a lock up switch and 1 without, they would all net very different numbers?

Secondly, if you put that same engine that is in your vette and put it in a F-body with a solid axle, you might find different numbers. Even with the same gear ratio?

This was my point. The same goes for all vehicles. Different combo's are going to net different losses.

[NotAMonte86]

Or you could just drop the tire pressure, makes a good power adder (on paper anyway).
I've seen it with my own eyes. Corvettes baselined, then had all lubricants changed to Redline, picked up around 5hp on the roller.
Was this one run for baseline and one for Redline? Back to back dyno runs can easily vary by 5hp.

[scsaleen]

Corvettes are 12-15% That's it. Getting into the 20's is truck territory.

Thats for a manual transmission. Autos are higher everytime because we have convertors and clutches that take more effort to move.

This is 472 Mach 1 BTW.

[gtrownr]

Sure. 1-2% is a good figure....any more than that, you would have so much heating in the fluid, the little stock cooling lines wouldn't be near enough to keep your transmission from severely overheating....


Still won't let me upload....
Thats for a manual transmission. Autos are higher everytime because we have convertors and clutches that take more effort to move.

This is 472 Mach 1 BTW.

[300ZXTT]

alright..to answer all of your questions.. my car is white.. i didn't say that my bov gave me horsepower..i jsut listed it as a mod.. my power comes from having really really really low backpressure on my exhaust..very very low... with that, i started boosting upwards of 14..14 from 8.5/9 is a lot...so yeah, that will increase my power along with an ecu to change my air/fuel ratio. i'm gonna go see how to post this dyno sheet that i have..its one of them..i've had thee car dynoed twice since i got it..i fixed some boost leaks then got it dynoed again..still having leaks though.. also, i have an injector leaking fuel into a cylinder so in about 2 weeks i'm getting 555cc injectors put in and taking outt he old 370's... that will in turn let me run about 16 pounds of boost once i get those new smics on there as well.. guys..i got off on the wrong foot..i'm sorry..i didn't want it to come out like this.. i got excited.. no need for this crap..i'l be back in 5 min with a picture of one of my dynos.. btw..its not a "pig" of a car..someone meet up with me..i race a lot on treat..hehe..all over the place..but no cops on treat at nighttime..and lots of chevrons..haha...need fuel..

[300ZXTT]

holy crap..you are picking and choosing my mods and saying that i gained all my horsepower from that..whats wrong with you? yeah, with a full flowing exhaust and intake, and new air/fuel ratio, and running about 6 more pounds of boost, yeah..i get about 100 more horsepower with a leaking injector (which doesn't really seem to effect it all that much, i think) and with numerous boost leaks..and i'm getting the chart..just trying to hook up my sisters scanner..might just take a picture of it though

[300ZXTT]

here we go..this is running at 75 degrees, forget humiditiy..but it was raining outside..this is at advanced tuning products in fremont..this was my first dyno..but gives you the idea and proof of where i was..i'm a little higher now..but this is what counts.. also, for what its worth..i know this doesn't mean much because it is what i ahve..but this is with boost leaks and a slightly leaky injector..you can see the drop because it wasn't holding boost, it was dropping really badly..the power should have kept climbing a little more..also, that is with cats on, i dont have cats now..just test pipes.. and onto the pics..btw, this is on 91 octane (crappy california fuel..oh well)

i know i'm gonna butcher this..

http://www.streetneeds.com/uploads/twinturbonet/dynocopy.jpg

i'm not to up there with this kinda stuff..computers yes, but html nah..

[300ZXTT]

i told you..that was the old one..i fixed some of the boost leaks..so it holds higher..also, i had cats on there and precats..since then i've gutted my precats and put on test pipes so i have a hell of a lot less back pressure seeing as how i had 4 cats and 2 precats...so that opens up my tourque at the lower rpms..also, i dont have nearly as much as a dip like that first one.. but whatever...anyways, most of the racing was done at higher rpms seeing as how it was a roll off..so it doesn't matter how much tourque you have before 3k seeing as how i started off at about 3700..but like i said before..here is my proof of where i am, kinda..but this is what we can go by..so lets just stop yelling at me..=-)...

[LIL SS]

Why don't you and Rob line up. Then you'll see how bad a Z06 spanks your ass.

[BLAH BLA]

i told you..that was the old one..i fixed some of the boost leaks..so it holds higher..also, i had cats on there and precats..since then i've gutted my precats and put on test pipes so i have a hell of a lot less back pressure seeing as how i had 4 cats and 2 precats...so that opens up my tourque at the lower rpms..also, i dont have nearly as much as a dip like that first one.. but whatever...anyways, most of the racing was done at higher rpms seeing as how it was a roll off..so it doesn't matter how much tourque you have before 3k seeing as how i started off at about 3700..but like i said before..here is my proof of where i am, kinda..but this is what we can go by..so lets just stop yelling at me..=-)...

Stop yelling at me? take some time off and get your wits about you. the reason you are so flustered is that everytime you think you have all yhe answers somebody comes by and kicks you in the ass. the way to shut everybody up is to post these great dyno numbers you are claiming. don't show a run with 300hp and then have a bunch of reason why you have more hp now. to do what you are claiming to have done you will need in excess of 400hp and thats is being conservative. 317 just is not going to shut anyone up.

[300ZXTT]

...nick..less back pressure lets my turbos spool up faster..unless i'm mistaken, the faster my turbos spool, the more power i get, quicker.. i'll line up some people..just so you can see where i am at..we'll do roll offs.. off the line.blah blah blah.. and i didn't intend 317 to shut you up..but the main point of that was to show proof that i'm hitting 317 while my car is having some pretty bad problems..like the boost leaks..also, that is to proove that my car is more powerful now...but, none of that matters unless you see it run..whether i win or loose..its a good test to see how it runs..

[NotAMonte86]

Yes, you are mistaken. You have no idea how your car works.
:uhhh:

[LIL SS]

No one is yelling at you. And... less back pressure doesn't give you more low-end torque. You suck at cars.



Are you saying less back pressure reduces torque? If so, I have dynos on my car proving that theory wrong. I would be happy to share those dyno sheets. Started gaining torque @ 3200 rpm and lost none below that running open headers. A properly set up exhaust will gain HP and TQ with less back pressure.

[Moloko]

Exhaust is for pussies, real men run open heads. Not headers, heads.

[300ZXTT]

actually nick i said correct me if i'm wrong for the hell of it..i'm not wrong..if there is back pressure, the exhaust cant flow through my turbo as fast cause it cant get outa my turbo quick enough..the more exhaust i can force through that turbo, the faster i can spool it up...so in that case, yeah, i get more power quicker...on an all motor car, sure, there is a nice balance of back pressure you want depending on where you want your power to be..

[LIL SS]

300Z.. Your getting mixed up between back pressure and scavaging. Back pressure kills HP and TQ, proper scavaging will aid in hp/tq for any application, FI, N20 or NA.

Back pressure = Bad.
Scavaging = Good.

In your theory (Bigger pipe being better), you are partialy correct. But in real life, not theory, there is a fine line between total flow vrs velocity. This is where scavaging comes in to play as it helps with velocity. If your theory was the "wise way of the world", we would all be driving around with 10" sewer exhaust pipes and heads that were ported beyond belief.

I strongly suggest you do some research on this issue. Not just for exhaust, but for heads as well.

[300ZXTT]

thats what i'm saying..back pressure is bad..i'm trying to eliminate it..isn't that what i'm doing? i only have 2.5 inch piping..not liek its 3 or 4 all the way back..i'll go read up on it more..

[MistaFosta]

300Z.. Your getting mixed up between back pressure and scavaging. Back pressure kills HP and TQ, proper scavaging will aid in hp/tq for any application, FI, N20 or NA.

Back pressure = Bad.
Scavaging = Good.

In your theory (Bigger pipe being better), you are partialy correct. But in real life, not theory, there is a fine line between total flow vrs velocity. This is where scavaging comes in to play as it helps with velocity. If your theory was the "wise way of the world", we would all be driving around with 10" sewer exhaust pipes and heads that were ported beyond belief.

I strongly suggest you do some research on this issue. Not just for exhaust, but for heads as well.

To tell you the truth, with turboes, scavaging (sp?) doesn't mean much at all. Your motor gets its own backpressure from the turbo, since it is an exhaust restriction, after the turbo, you want very very little backpressure, if any.

[Red C5]

Good kill. Supercharged C5s ain't shit. :holla:

[Ike]

Someone didn't read the entire thread to see that the dipshit that started it was lying :rolleyes:

[BLAH BLA]

damn it let this one die,please.

[pakisho]

BWahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[LIL SS]

The never ending thread :)

[300ZXTT]

hehe..seriously..and "ham and eggs" your the dipshit that didn't read the whole thread... i clearley explained why i had stated those flywheel HP numbers..because i knew my RWHP numbers and did bad math in my head to get flywheel..

[GoldenArmedGod]

I once beat a supercharged vet in my stock Jetta... but I don't think he realized we were racing and I never went above 40 m.p.h.

Still I beat that motherfucker into the ground.

[Ike]

hehe..seriously..and "ham and eggs" your the dipshit that didn't read the whole thread... i clearley explained why i had stated those flywheel HP numbers..because i knew my RWHP numbers and did bad math in my head to get flywheel.

..less back pressure lets my turbos spool up faster..
And I'm the dipshit? Why don't you figure your car out and then come and "try" to talk shit, toolshed.

[Ike]

never went above 40 m.p.h.
Then you 2 weren't racing.

[Raziel]

I just read the whole thread outta boredem and i agree w/ the domestic guys. :eek5:

[gtrownr]

To completely hijack this ridiculous thread.... "The Rob"....is that a picture of your car in your avatar (or a paint copy)?

If so, were you down in Salinas last night? My wife really liked the car......

If that's what you're claiming with a 3700 pound car...I can see why everyone is finding it real hard to believe that a Corvette which weighs a couple hundred pounds less, and providing the belt was looped around the supercharger pulley...puts out just as much power...could lose to the car you claim to have.

You obviously didn't read the sticky for this section. Why is it that people who register have to make their first post in here and wow us? If I want fiction, I'll pick up a copy of Sport Compact Car.

Rob

[pakisho]

THats the 04 Commemorative Edition. Slightly lighter hood, revalved shocks, couple of minor doodads, the stripes................and a ridiculous pricetag at some dealerships. THe numbnuts at stevens creek want 75k for theirs. I laughed HARD when I saw that.

I think Robs car is silver, or black.

[papanature]

I have a stock TT Z and stock Z28 LT1. I'd say both are equal in 1/4 mile times. So I'm pretty sure a 02 S/Ced Vette would be faster than your Z TT.

[300ZXTT]

whatever guys..i was just telling about a night i had..look at all this comotion...and "ham and eggs" you ARE the dipshit.. i know about my car..i'm sure everyone on here has messed up in math..i did it in my head..jesus..get a life

[300ZXTT]

oh, and btw...admins can you PLEASE lock this thread?

[Ike]

whatever guys..i was just telling about a night i had..look at all this comotion...and "ham and eggs" you ARE the dipshit.. i know about my car..i'm sure everyone on here has messed up in math..i did it in my head..jesus..get a life
No, they won't lock this, or at least don't think you're going to get the last word before they do.

Look idiot, you were given ample opportunity to admit your fault but instead you bring in flywheel power blah blah blah and change your stance a number of times in the thread. When flywheel power means that your car is putting that to the pavement, then bring it into the conversation... You don't even have the proper car to be a dyno queen, and even then it's measured at the wheels. I wasn't targeting you or picking you out of a line up, you pretty much set yourself up for that.

What I'm saying is that you're an arrogant little ****sucker, and don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

[300ZXTT]

um..too bad i'm not arrogant..how about you check out the dictionary for that one buddy.. all i ahve shown here in this thread is that i'm not arrogant... and i never said i had a dyno queen.. i can still bring it to the dyno to see how much i'm putting out..hehe..that sounds funny...anyways..lets drop it...(if you ant to get another word in, i guess you can....)

[LIL SS]

300ZXTT FYI. Little secret.. If you stop replying to peoples posts, they might let this thread die :)

[300ZXTT]

i did..someone brought it up after 12 days..then ham started again...oh well..

[Kriz]

Talk about Street Racing and your Kill Stories here. Braggin' rights also accepted and its Zero Tolerance Free.
Basicly what that means is that this forum is anything goes. You tell a story, expect to get called on it. Im not closing this thread or any other thread in this forum.

Back to the argument, ladies and gentlemen.

[Ike]

i did..someone brought it up after 12 days..then ham started again...oh well..
No, I was just laying the facts on the table, bitch.

[syntax]

do you have a video of this race?

[Ike]

:love: thread

[syntax]

doh! i thought i read he would be posting it once he could get a host. :doh5:

[UnobomberCowboy]

after spending the like 2 hours to read this whole thread i have to put in my 2 cents. all i see here is a bunch of experienced v8 loyalists getting offended by a semi-newb import driver claiming he beat an blown c5. V8'ers classicly gamg up on him. and Nick just comes out to expose more of his newbness.

the guy is willing to race you all. so take him up on the offer and meet him somewhere. apperently some of you live close enough to him.

[Ike]

The point you're missing is that he changed his POV numerous times in the story until eventually the real figures came out... which looked more like a stock C5 than a blown C5... hopefully you're still following where I'm headed, if not then I don't know what to tell you.

This thread has nothing to do with import vs. domestics, and calling someone let alone Nick a n00b? Take a look in the mirror before you call ANYONE a n00b. I can't stand idiots like you that try to turn everything into a domestic vs. import battle, so do yourself a favor and just stfu.

I think you wasted your 2 hours (wtf?) to read all 4 pages only to not comprehend what is going on.

http://img58.photobucket.com/albums/v176/dreamsyndrome/crayolas.jpg

Merry Christmas.

[entix]

Why don't you and Rob line up. Then you'll see how bad a Z06 spanks your ass.

err.. that might not be the greatest idea.

[greg]

after spending the like 2 hours to read this whole thread i have to put in my 2 cents. all i see here is a bunch of experienced v8 loyalists getting offended by a semi-newb import driver claiming he beat an blown c5. V8'ers classicly gamg up on him. and Nick just comes out to expose more of his newbness.

the guy is willing to race you all. so take him up on the offer and meet him somewhere. apperently some of you live close enough to him.

2 hrs? it took me 30 min, and I was on the phone for 25 of those minutes...You must be slow.

You DO NOT need to put your two cents in. Your opinion dosen't matter. You are nobody. You can't even spell "Unibomber" correctly. So shut that semen receptacle you call a mouth, and go back to fucking cows, or whatever it is you do up in Montana.

[The Steve]

This Thread Is Getting Good Now!

I love the term V8er! Ima use that one now that I got one!

call me darth v8er suckas

[Jaggorri]

You DO NOT need to put your two cents in. Your opinion dosen't matter. You are nobody. You can't even spell "Unibomber" correctly. So shut that semen receptacle you call a mouth, and go back to fucking cows, or whatever it is you do up in Montana.

I'm so proud. Greg is learning how to talk shit with style. *sniffle*

Since the smack down on 300zx has been taken care of, I'll just add my 3 pence:
http://www.supersmurf.com/albums/Random/die_fuckstick.jpg

[BigBlockBB6]

The point you're missing is that he changed his POV numerous times in the story until eventually the real figures came out... which looked more like a stock C5 than a blown C5... hopefully you're still following where I'm headed, if not then I don't know what to tell you.

This thread has nothing to do with import vs. domestics, and calling someone let alone Nick a n00b? Take a look in the mirror before you call ANYONE a n00b. I can't stand idiots like you that try to turn everything into a domestic vs. import battle, so do yourself a favor and just stfu.

I think you wasted your 2 hours (wtf?) to read all 4 pages only to not comprehend what is going on.


Merry Christmas.

Your an idot, get a solid grip on life and post again.

[k.]

Your an idot, get a solid grip on life and post again.

when you come back in 5 days, i hope you come back with a definition for the word "idot", other than an acronym.

~k.

[Ike]

Talk about a clean up crew! :salute: K and Byron still have that magic touch, and Greg is learning so well... I'm so proud! *sniff sniff*

[UnobomberCowboy]

Ok, my bad, it didnt take me 2 hours, i excagerated a little, my bad. and i didnt call nick a newb. Nick i brought up the fact you show 300zxtts newbness. I apologize for that fuckup on how unclear i was with that sentance. plus Greg your dumbass should understand its a screen name ill spell it how ever i damn well want it to be spelled, oh and on a side note its "Una"bomber. plus i was neither defending nor attacking anyone in that post

besiseds i have been readin posts on this site long enough to know nick isnt a newb. yeah i dont post much because i usually dont see much reason for it. last night i was fucked up and read this thread, laughed my ass off, and wrote a dumbass reply. I'm sorry you all couldnt understand my early morning ramblings.

[k.]

we seriously need a spell check function. that was hard to read. :(

~k.

[greg]

last night i was fucked up and read this thread, laughed my ass off, and wrote a dumbass reply.

Your spelling, grammar, and sentance structure suggest that you are still "fucked up".

[UnobomberCowboy]

hehe i was, and im sorry. i will leave, and try not to look at this forum when intoxicated.

[FanaticalKilla]

Your spelling, grammar, and sentance structure suggest that you are still "fucked up".
I love when people get mad at people for bad spelling or grammar. Yet they have errors in their work. Sentance is spelled Sentence.

[Ike]

Now darkness... The tables are turned.

[NotAMonte86]

Lol, at least he was original and didn't mispell "grammar."

[greg]

I love when people get mad at people for bad spelling or grammar. Yet they have errors in their work. Sentance is spelled Sentence.

The second use of "sentence" shouldn't be capitalized.

No one is perfect, but i'm pretty damn close. :angel:

[Ike]

haha, season 2 coming out on DVD soon, final episode of the season was last night :holla:

[Ike]

haha fuck yeah

[greg]

RJC...there's a safety equipment company named that...I wonder if thats what it means...

[k.]

thats what we are dave. ;)

~k.

[BigBlockBB6]

Damn, I got banned for this thread, first time I've be banned on any forum and I've posted over 10,000 posts, lmao, this place is fun though.

Talk to you guys in another thread. :smoke2:

[bluetwo]

To tell you the truth, with turboes, scavaging (sp?) doesn't mean much at all.

it's scavenging