This kinda sucks... Thank you Uncle Sam

[Wraith]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3956787/

[333racer]

i miss the old days of world war 2, at least if we had to fight a war, it was cause of an actual threat, not just cause they are capable of attacking. then if a 23 soldiers killed themselves it would have been a sad loss and they'd say fuck it and move on. maybe if this war was based on some actual threats and not just one man's grudge, then soldiers wouldn't be so depressed as to kill themselves. shit we've lost more soldiers due to stupid accidents than we have to enemy fire. if that shit kept happening like it does, i'd say fuck it too and end it. i'm trying to say that the media portrays this as such a big surprise, but if people would wise up a bit, they would probably understand why these soldiers take their lives.

[max_misawa]

Part of the problem is the loosers they let into the military.
50 years ago they would have got thier asses thrown out before they had finished boot camp.

Max :smoke2:

[ILL-Eagle]

the **** who couldnt shoot back because her gun jammed?
great hero

the real hero's are the ones still fighting, and not taking an easy road out and killing themselves.

And we are not leaving Iraq anytime soon

[ILL-Eagle]

ya, they said that last year

Plans to be out by september, october, november, christmas....blah blah blah

Bush is intent on getting things done over there

[BOB]

I don't think that suicide rate is anything too unusual. What's the national average? Being in the military isn't for everyone, I did 10 years, and I had some goods times, and some really really shitty ones. Sometimes souls just get lost, and they don't find anyone to help them out. Many times the ones who do commit suicide are simply not noticed by their peers as being on the edge before it is too late.

[FIRESTARTER]

fuck them. they are a bunch of pussies. i wont shed a tear for them. its good that they are helping to thin the herd, so maybe we can get someone who really wants to be there. i mean, i saw the facilities and stuff the army got. better than the marines. not as good as the air force, but we werent killing ourselves all the time over there, and we had less than both services. and fuck jessica lynch. in the interview, i think she said that when the soldiers with her were trying to fight back the iraquis, she was sitting there, crying and praying. and thats another thing...when m16's get carbon buildup or sand in them, they jam. i dont know about you guys, but if im in a country where ppl want to fuckin kill me, and my only hope of survival is my m16, i think ill keep it pretty clean. i went to the armory every fucking week, checked out my rifle and cleaned it, just in case. so for every iraqi that shot and killed a soldier because their rifle was dirty and wouldnt fire, thanx for helping us out. i appreciate it. fuck suicidal ppl, fuck lazy soldiers(or any lazy military member over there), fuck the whiners, and fuck jessica lynch. lets build a fucking bridge and GET OVER IT!!!
p.s. did you know that lynch got that medal(which is kind of a high award) for doing nothing, but the team of marines who went in and rescued her didnt get shit? the team leader i believe just got 1 award recently for it, but only after alot of bitching from veterans and whatnot about how they would award lynch, but not the ppl who rescued her.

[333racer]

the military is a bunch of bullshit these days, it's all about their image. back in ww2 they didn't give a shit if people were dying left and right. that was their duties as soldiers. now if one soldier dies it's a fucking tragedy... (granted it is sad they had to die, but it is what they were prepared to do). it's fucking bullshit how we make such a big deal over it. how about the thousands of innocent civilans we've killed in this war so far? do they get any recognition? nope...and why? aren't they people too? o guess since their not american they mean nothing.

and yeah, why did jessica lynch get any medals, as far as i see, she didn't do jack shit. she sat there as her fellow soldiers died, she got captured, she didn't achieve any military objectives, and she sat around again and waited to be resucued. i might be wrong but isn't the duty of a soldier to never surrender? i would expect that if her rifle jammed, then she should have found a new weapon and continued fighting.

[BLAH BLA]

this is a direct result of all of the bleeding hearts that cannot accept the reality that life is hard.21 confirmed suicides, there over 100 thousand soldiers in the theater. it is barely up over the non-combat rate of suicide. oh and about that whore that is a "national hero". that is what happens when people join up to get out of the house, or to get thier money for college. the job is soldier, sometime that means getting shipped out, and leaving your family or dealing with some things that mostpeople will never have to experience. thier weapons got jammed, come on. she sat in the corner and cried as her friends died around her. great hero. there is a nice place in hell for her. i would not even be so angry at her if she had not taken all the money she has for the interviews....etc...21 guys have killed themselves,there will be more than that number kill themselves here w/o the stress of people trying to kill them.


this country has gone soft.....think about this there were 1500 men in the uss arizona as it slammed into the bottom of the ocean on the morning of dec 7, 1941.

[Project_Lude]

someone send her the link to this thread. Cause ya know she has a web page dedicated to her now? complete w/ forum and everything. http://www.jessica-lynch.com/ oh, and some mullet guy made a song bout her.

[djdorifto]

well back in WW1 and WW2 soldiers had a fuckin reason to fight. not like theses days that we let this shit happen, just look at the evidence with 9/11 and that they "could" have stop it, but it was all a plan so they can get into Iraq and bring down Saddam who was no way apart of 9/11. The soldiers are killing themselves because they don't know what the hell their fighting for, its not as big of a goal when back in WW1 and WW2, now its all polictics and greedy. I just feel sorry for the soldiers because they are out there, not these big fat white guys behind some desk in DC.

But yes, the army has gone soft, the store owner of where I worked at in a LAN center was in the army, he's over in Iraq as we speak, but he told me how the army has gone soft, but its not their fault, its theses ***** ass kids. They got thei lawyers and told them if the drill sgt.s don't stop yelling and verbal abusing me I'm going to sue the army. Now they got this Time Out Cards so they can give their Drill Instrutor to go chill out for 5mins. Am like WTF!! This is fuckin the army, not some boy scout camp, you think the bad guys give a shit about the time out cards, fuck no. Man, they should kick the pussies out.

[Project_Lude]

well back in WW1 and WW2 soldiers had a fuckin reason to fight. not like theses days that we let this shit happen, just look at the evidence with 9/11 and that they "could" have stop it, but it was all a plan so they can get into Iraq and bring down Saddam who was no way apart of 9/11. The soldiers are killing themselves because they don't know what the hell their fighting for, its not as big of a goal when back in WW1 and WW2, now its all polictics and greedy. I just feel sorry for the soldiers because they are out there, not these big fat white guys behind some desk in DC.

But yes, the army has gone soft, the store owner of where I worked at in a LAN center was in the army, he's over in Iraq as we speak, but he told me how the army has gone soft, but its not their fault, its theses ***** ass kids. They got thei lawyers and told them if the drill sgt.s don't stop yelling and verbal abusing me I'm going to sue the army. Now they got this Time Out Cards so they can give their Drill Instrutor to go chill out for 5mins. Am like WTF!! This is fuckin the army, not some boy scout camp, you think the bad guys give a shit about the time out cards, fuck no. Man, they should kick the pussies out.
wtf? time out cards? what a bunch of fuckin pussies! one more thing to add to my shit list of grievances about america, the people in it, and our policies currently. Fuck that, tell those faggets to quit suckin on their moms titty long enough to read somethin like the lords of discipline, or fallen angels. Those guys had it hard (granted The Lords of Discipline wasn't about war) not these fuckin bitches.

[djdorifto]

oops, sorry the store owner is Sgt. Major or something like that. The highest a officer can get without being in the army fulltime. Anyways, yeah he was talking... well yelling a soldier and he brough out his time out card, but my Boss ripped the card up and told him that he didn't go out to like he told him too he was going to send him in the first wave of attacts on Iraq, fuckin kid got hella scared and now he kisses his ass everywhere.

With theses suicides happening I think their mentaly wern't ready to be in a Combat Sitution 24/7 for over 6 months or so. I hope bush pull's our soldiers out of that hell hole soon, i don't want my friend's and 2 cusins died over this.

[BLAH BLA]

i understand that you do not have the same political views as i, but being a soldier is not about politics. everybody joins to serve thier country, sometimes it means partying in australia or or japan,blahblabla. sometimes you have to the dirty work, the killing. that is the job. you don't get to vote on whether or not you go to fight. you go,follow orders and hopefully come home alive. it's not like the old days when uncle sam called and told you to report, everyone volunteers now.......the suicide rate has not gone up that dramatically when you consider the situations that these young men and women are in. it was less than 20 soldiers out of 100,000 +. we have become a kinder gentler country, and that is why we are in this situation in the first place.

[Civic_Sleeper]

I think our millitary have become smarter when it come to training soldiers...and to get a population into the millitary takes good marketing these days. The millitary isn't made up of people with superpowers...they are human...and because our social structure is different than the "old" days...means people will behave and respond differently.

The Jessica Lynch story was simply an attempt to get backing for the war by presenting "heros". From the folks who join now...many feel that the millitary is an easy way to make ends meet (meaning they don't have to think on thier own...some one telling them what to do)...

I think the millitary's recruiting practices are up against a lot of resistance because of the way society is. How do you get people who are disiplined or responsible (or want to become disiplined or responsible) to join a millitary when everything else we as Americans live by says to not to be (ie, live for the now).

as far as the suicide rate goes...many of our millitary in the past years before 9/11 have never seen "real" millitary action before, where the stakes are real.

The millitary isn't cake or insanely difficult...I thought of joining until I learned of policies and behaviors among fellow soldiers and how officers treat soldiers. IMO it is not an organization that promotes disipline...only clicks and social groups where outsiders are frowned upon (protect your own policy)...too much like high school where if you are part of the group and do what the group says, without question, you will do fine.

We as Americans are not perfect we just are.

C_S

[ILL-Eagle]

oops, sorry the store owner is Sgt. Major or something like that. The highest a officer can get without being in the army fulltime. Anyways, yeah he was talking... well yelling a soldier and he brough out his time out card, but my Boss ripped the card up and told him that he didn't go out to like he told him too he was going to send him in the first wave of attacts on Iraq, fuckin kid got hella scared and now he kisses his ass everywhere.

With theses suicides happening I think their mentaly wern't ready to be in a Combat Sitution 24/7 for over 6 months or so. I hope bush pull's our soldiers out of that hell hole soon, i don't want my friend's and 2 cusins died over this.


SGT. Major is the highest Enlisted Rank


don't forget that soldiers on the western front of Europe did not know what they were fighting for either till they discovered the concentration camps.

[djdorifto]

SGT. Major is the highest Enlisted Rank


don't forget that soldiers on the western front of Europe did not know what they were fighting for either till they discovered the concentration camps.

yeah Sgt. Major knew it hehe.

well yeah, but don't forgot on what happen to Pearl Habor, we attack for defense and a world free of hitler, but the concentration camps did make a strong goal to keep on fighting. Damn I wish I never seen the pics of what they did to those Jews, nasty.

[max_misawa]

well back in WW1 and WW2 soldiers had a fuckin reason to fight. not like theses days that we let this shit happen, just look at the evidence with 9/11 and that they "could" have stop it, but it was all a plan so they can get into Iraq and bring down Saddam who was no way apart of 9/11. The soldiers are killing themselves because they don't know what the hell their fighting for, its not as big of a goal when back in WW1 and WW2, now its all polictics and greedy. I just feel sorry for the soldiers because they are out there, not these big fat white guys behind some desk in DC.

But yes, the army has gone soft, the store owner of where I worked at in a LAN center was in the army, he's over in Iraq as we speak, but he told me how the army has gone soft, but its not their fault, its theses ***** ass kids. They got thei lawyers and told them if the drill sgt.s don't stop yelling and verbal abusing me I'm going to sue the army. Now they got this Time Out Cards so they can give their Drill Instrutor to go chill out for 5mins. Am like WTF!! This is fuckin the army, not some boy scout camp, you think the bad guys give a shit about the time out cards, fuck no. Man, they should kick the pussies out.

Do you know how fucking retarded you sound?

Max :doh5:

[BOB]

My thoughts exactly Max.

[Draven]

oops, sorry the store owner is Sgt. Major or something like that. The highest a officer can get without being in the army fulltime. Anyways, yeah he was talking... well yelling a soldier and he brough out his time out card, but my Boss ripped the card up and told him that he didn't go out to like he told him too he was going to send him in the first wave of attacts on Iraq, fuckin kid got hella scared and now he kisses his ass everywhere.

1. You can't sue the Army if you signed Enlistment papers because you actually become goverment property. So if you go to sick call because of diarrhea and you wake up six months later with both your legs amputated and your nutsack missing you still can't sue. The Army can make you take drugs that haven't been tested properly because you belong to them.

2. There is NO time out card. They were tested in Basic Training years ago and it didn't work.

3. Command Sergeant Major (CSM) is the highest Enlisted rank. CSM is NOT AN OFFICER. He is a Non-Commisioned Officer (NCO). And there is no difference in the rank structure between active and reserves.

4. You can't just send an individual soldier to war unless he's Rambo.

I think your boss is making some shit up. How old is he anyway? I think you have to be like 90 years old to become a Sergeant Major in the reserves.

:salute:

[Draven]

And the media always fail to mention that the suicide rate in Iraq is about the same as the national suicide rate.

[333racer]

the military itself isn't the problem, it's the people who join up. the benefits that they can give are un-matched by almost any other job. the only problem with joining is the fact you have to be physically and mentally ready to face war time conditions. my cousin is in Iraq right now, he's been there since the war started and it's possible he won't even be considered for removal till april at the earliest. he's an mp in baghdad, he told me how it's very emotionally taxing to have to always be watchin yourself, but he knows that all the paranoria and fear are what going to keep him alive. it's those fears that keep him alert all the time. he said that it's hard but you eventually get used to it.

[wired]

Suicide is, as cynical as it may sound, just another way for the weak to weed themselves out, though they should have asked for help instead. The military is inherently a high stress profession. Members of the armed forces undergo the same stress as any American, plus combat stress and stress of long deployment. Enlistment is however voluntary. Military pay is borderline of poverty level, especially for enlisted personnel, so those who join just for the money and other pseudo-patriots soon find out they have picked the wrong profession. Others proudly wear their uniforms and do their jobs because they know it means something to serve their country.