View Full Version : suggest a quality muffler...
tFUnK
11-02-2003, 07:28 PM
... that is relatively straight through, that is NOT packed with fiberglass.
on another note, does anyone know what stock mufflers are generally packed with? (give a range of materials..)
thanks
ps dont say shyt if you don't know what you're talking about, thanks.
Moloko
11-02-2003, 07:31 PM
Whats wrong with fiberglass?
Most mufflers are fiberglass, including stock ones.
Dynomax Ultraflows are good, as are Edelbrock Mufflers.
tFUnK
11-02-2003, 07:40 PM
a lot of the aftermarket fiberglass str8-thru's sound like shyt... i want to, you know, replace my current system with a less noisy one.
Dynomax UltraFlo, Borla Turbo.
gsxtreme
11-02-2003, 09:47 PM
He has a civic, it will all sound like ass my friend. You need a turbo charger to sound deep :D
Apex N1 and get the full system.
xDamieNx
11-03-2003, 03:05 PM
Get a Borla or a Edelbrock. Whatever you end up getting, make sure it doesn't sound like it's farting.
Neekz
11-03-2003, 04:45 PM
Since where talking exhaust, what should i put on a 305 "high performance and and a nice deep runble sound to it?" Trying to figure this out, might be doing swap with my Cutlass surpreme soon :D
Moloko
11-03-2003, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by Neekz
Since where talking exhaust, what should i put on a 305 "high performance and and a nice deep runble sound to it?" Trying to figure this out, might be doing swap with my Cutlass surpreme soon :D
Dynomax Ultra-Flows
Dynomax Ultra-Flows
Stop it with the goddamn Dynomax pimpin'! Everyone knows its all about the flowmaster 30 series
ur2Slow
11-04-2003, 11:30 AM
Flowmasters slowed me down, I'm down with Dynomax too.
How did they slow you down? Did you hit one on the freeway or something?
ur2Slow
11-04-2003, 11:49 AM
How did they slow you down? Did you hit one on the freeway or something?
When I took them off my car I picked up 4 tenths of a second.
:uhhh: Of course you are going to pick up time if you take off your mufflers.
ur2Slow
11-04-2003, 12:02 PM
:uhhh: Of course you are going to pick up time if you take off your mufflers.
But you would think if Flowmasters worked so well, why would they knock off that much time? I run Dynomaxs now and lose maybe 5 hundreths from open exhaust.
Moloko
11-04-2003, 12:20 PM
Flowmasters are some of the worst flowing performance mufflers, im also getting sick of the sound. Thats why I said dynomax.
I run Dynomaxs now and lose maybe 5 hundreths from open exhaust.
You must be DAMN consistant to be able to measure HUNDREDTHS of a second's differance. So are you like a pro bracket racer or something? Come on man, really.
ur2Slow
11-04-2003, 01:20 PM
You must be DAMN consistant to be able to measure HUNDREDTHS of a second's differance. So are you like a pro bracket racer or something? Come on man, really.
Actually yes I do bracket race, and yes I am pretty good at it. I can take my car to any track and it will runs will be within a tenth of a second from each other (as long as the weather isn't funky that day). My motor is pretty dead on, and I'm usually go plenty of rounds every bracket night. Hell when I stopped using the last car I had, the last 6 weeks I went to the track I had 2 wins, a runner up, and made it to 3 semi finals.
Yes I know what I'm talking about.
Yes I know what I'm talking about.
Not if you think you can really measure a one one-hundredth seconds differance, consistantly.
ur2Slow
11-04-2003, 01:34 PM
When I have a car that is consistent all day I think I can. Here's an example. I took my car to an 1/8th mile track that's about an hour away from my house (Colonial Beach Dragway). It's a quiet track and not alot of cars show up. It's pretty dead in the begining of the test and tune session. At this track it's common to make a pass drive up the return road get your ticket, ride back to the staging lanes and be the next one in line. On this particular day the car made 20 passes (I made 16, I let my brother make 3, and a friend made one), 4 we're going rounds. The weather stayed the same pretty much the entire day. Every single pass was within 4 hundreths of a second. Hows that for consistent?
Also I'm not talking about racing in something that was easy to be consistent in either. The car I had then was a 4500 boat on radials running low 13's with 1.91 60's (with a near stock Pontiac 400). I know my shit man, don't worry I'm not a random jackass, I promise.
When I have a car that is consistent all day I think I can. Here's an example. I took my car to an 1/8th mile track that's about an hour away from my house (Colonial Beach Dragway). It's a quiet track and not alot of cars show up. It's pretty dead in the begining of the test and tune session. At this track it's common to make a pass drive up the return road get your ticket, ride back to the staging lanes and be the next one in line. On this particular day the car made 20 passes (I made 16, I let my brother make 3, and a friend made one), 4 we're going rounds. The weather stayed the same pretty much the entire day. Every single pass was within 4 hundreths of a second. Hows that for consistent?
I'd like to see slips for that, becuase that seems like utter bullshit. 3 different drivers, all pulling times within .04 sec of each other? You mean to tell me traction was EXACTLY the same on each run? the tires didnt heat up or cool down between runs?
Four tenths, i might be able to belive, but not four thousandths. Sorry man. Show me some slips on that.
ur2Slow
11-04-2003, 02:03 PM
Being that I race at least once a week at least, if I saved timeslips from every pass I made that would be alot of slips wouldn't it? On the other hand here is a little proof if you want it:
*edit- I guess I can't post attachments. Let me dig up some hosting.
ur2Slow
11-04-2003, 02:10 PM
Either way it doesn't matter that much. I know that I know my shit. What about you? What makes you the authority on being consistent? Do you drag race? Or do you just sit on the net pretending to be a big dog?
Either way it doesn't matter that much. I know that I know my shit. What about you? What makes you the authority on being consistent? Do you drag race? Or do you just sit on the net pretending to be a big dog?
I drag race occasionally. I used to bracket race in my 5-speed S-10 with no tach and make it to the Semi-finals now and then. But now I use the steering wheel. If you have any doubts as to my validity, just ask around, or do a search for my posts, or watch the video in my signature. I have proof of my escapades. Do you?
All I want is a few scanned timeslips showing consecutive runs within .04 sec of each other. Thats not so hard, is it?
ur2Slow
11-04-2003, 07:36 PM
Considering that you go occasionally, and I go frequently, I would think I might know quiet a few things more than you about being consistent. From checking the tire pressure to you're starting line routine it needs to be the same everytime.
Like I said before I don't save all my slips (I do have a few from some of the fastest runs), but I have enough pictures, videos, and trophies to bury you with proof if you want it. If you want to host it I'll email you whatever you want.
Considering that you go occasionally, and I go frequently, I would think I might know quiet a few things more than you about being consistent.
Dude, you dont know jack shit more than me. I havent been to the strip in a while because I spend my time running road courses. But when I had my truck, i was at the strip 2 times a week. So you can shut the fuck up now. And why dont you have your slips? I can grab 40 slips right now, and i havent had my truck for almost 2 years.
So do this. Since you are such the awesome bracket racer, and you go to the strip ALL the time, Go make 5 passes within .04 sec of each other and post up the slips. Then I will host 'em, post 'em, I'll even write you a beautiful apology. So, until you can back up your mouth, I'd suggest you shut it.
ur2Slow
11-05-2003, 02:57 AM
Don't flame me because you have no skill. Obviously if I can win, and you cannot, I think it's easy to see who knows more than who on being consistent. You act like what I can do is hard, aparently you haven't seen as much bracket racing as you claim. Alot of guys can pull off the same results if not better than me. It's the name of the game, and if you've been so much you would know that. And if you knew so much, you would also know that it's alot harder to be consistent with a 5 speed (did you know that, or are you gonna claim you can shift as perect as a machine can). You're not gonna shut me up, so don't even go there.
As I've said before (and I hate sounding like a broken record) I DO NOT KEEP ALL OF MY SLIPS!!! If being a pack-rat is your thing but it's not mine, I have no use for hundreds of pieces of paper. However, here's what counts, get a close look since you haven't got one yet:
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/8/web/452000-452999/452253_1_full.jpg
ur2Slow
11-05-2003, 03:10 AM
And here's the car in question. This is my old ride, it's a 73 LeMans, it's big, heavy, and not exactly the easiest thing to be consistent with. Obviously I have a good motor, that's why when I got rid of this slab of a body (and gave it away to my brother) I put that motor in my new ride.
That's a 4500 car with a stock motor on radial tires, can your Focus leave that hard???
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/8/web/452000-452999/452253_2_full.jpg
I really don't care if you believe me or not. This is a thread about mufflers. If you would like to start a thread on bracket racing and being consistent go ahead, I'll battle you there. Otherwise quit hi-jacking someone elses thread.
can your Focus leave that hard???...
....This is a thread about mufflers. If you would like to start a thread on bracket racing and being consistent go ahead, I'll battle you there. Otherwise quit hi-jacking someone elses thread.
1. No. It isnt a drag car. Can your POS take out an M3 on a road course? Didn't think so.
2. What are you a mod now? No, you're not. But however, you are right on the Hijacking portion, so we can take this discussion to PMs.
You have PMs.
Moparwagonz
11-05-2003, 10:19 PM
Dont trip on da flowmastas.
ur2Slow
11-06-2003, 07:17 AM
Flowmasters aren't completly worthless. They work well on some cars (Fords pickup alot with them). Some just get choked by them for whatever reason. I think it's got something to do with head design.
ShadyDave
11-06-2003, 07:29 AM
Flowmasters aren't completly worthless. They work well on some cars (Fords pickup alot with them). Some just get choked by them for whatever reason. I think it's got something to do with head design.
Eh? ???
What does head design have to do with muffler brand?
IF and only if the muffler is the most restrictive part of the exhaust system, which isn't always true, I might grant the point for exhaust flow. However, Flowmaster makes quite a variety of mufflers with widely varying flow capacities...which kinda nulls your point.
The Flowmaster two and three chambers (30 series is a 3 chamber?) are more restrictive than a Borla. This may or may not make you faster, depending on your setup.
Basically, what I'm saying is that it's total exhaust backpressure/flow rate/temp that makes a muffler change give or take power/torque. Head design really doesn't come in to play.
ur2Slow
11-06-2003, 08:34 AM
With ported heads, the mufflers I had (40's series I think), we're the kink in the exhaust. It ran straight from headers to the mufflers and turndowns. Nothing else was changed on the car just the mufflers (the weather was similar both days, typical hot Virginia summer afternoons). I'm not the only person with a Pontiac motor to notice either, it's all over their boards. I think other off-brand GM cars also respond better to other brands than Flowmasters.
mballer31
11-06-2003, 11:17 AM
Dynomax UltraFlo, Borla Turbo.
If he does have a civic, why not get a Tanabe? Is it too loud for him?
tFUnK
11-07-2003, 01:53 AM
all i wanted was some muffler suggestions and 5 posts into it it gets jacked =/. jp
i haven't been working on my car in almost two years now and prior to that i had a custom exhaust done which is not to my satisfaction. my muffler is a 2.5 straight thru ricer muffler matched with crimped stainless steel 2.25 piping, and i don't dig that at all.
looking to use a smaller tubing maybe, and a straight thru muffler that's smaller than 2.5". i want to consider other alloys than steel for the tubing, but i admit i do not know much about optimum materials characteristics for exhaust tubing. thinking aluminum or magnesium, remember seeing some ti alloy catbacks a while ago, so i figure why stick to steel?
people suggested es oval mufflers but i'm not sure of the packing material and the pipe size. generally i don't like the sound of fiberglass packed mufflers, but i dont know what else is typicalled used?
this will be for street application, 3-4500rpm optimum range, but i also dont want the high end to choke too badly.
thanks
ShadyDave
11-07-2003, 06:45 AM
Fibreglass packing, metal baffles, there are a lot of ways to build a muffler.
If you really want to spend the money on a Ti alloy exhaust, go for it. It's not likely to gain you anything, however.
Honestly tFunk, Don't buy a muffler, but a whole catback system. Yeah it costs a bit more, but the pipe sizes are optimized with the mufler design, the bends are clean, and they are enginered to make power.
What car is this for?
tFUnK
11-07-2003, 01:13 PM
thanks for the replies.
shadydave - no thanks i don't want to deal with a Ti system, but am considering other alloys Al and Mg particularly.
greg - i am looking for a muffler to replace the current catback system i have now. looking to do custom piping again (this time correctly!)
this will be for a civic ex, stock. reason i want to go custom is because most aftermarket systems for my car are designed not for optimal street use. i know for a fact that a 2.25 catback will make my car drive like shyt during commute and around town. right now on my 2.25 exhaust i plugged the muffler with a silencer, and that got some low end tq back. but after two years of driving this system i notice the hangers are beginning to fail (shitty muffler shop did the job) and the bends are not clean and the weld to my cat is messy as hell too.
was thinking of going with aluminum alloy pipes for weight savings and corrosion concerns, and also heat disspiation. also want a muffler that's relatively free flowing but not 2.5" overkill on my car (something comparable to the stock ITR muffler might be suitable, also i checked out the dynomax ultraflow and that might be suitable as well). btw i do not want a loud system, in fact i want it as quiet as possible without really choking up the system.
yeah so main thing is i want to go custom so i can control my optimal powerband somewhat. i also know there are issues with welding aluminum piping but i was thinking of using mandrel L-joints to connect versus bending/welding. i know a lot of the all motor import people can suggest a tried and true setup that works for them on the track, but that's really not what i'm looking for.
OK then do 2 inch Aluminized Steel piping, With a 24" or so resonator (Magnaflow makes a good one), mandrel bends all the way through, a Catco high flow round cat, and an Apexi N1, or HKS universal muffler (you're going to have to flare the end of the piping, because i belive it has a 60mm inlet). Or you could use a borla boomers, they have 2" inlets but nothing smaller than a 4" tip. Summit sells this new DNX stuff, but I have no idea how it sounds.
OR
You coud run a SuperTrapp :headbang:
ShadyDave
11-07-2003, 05:34 PM
Hahaha...not on a Civic!
I've never seen a SuperTrapp on a Civic...
Hahaha...not on a Civic!
I've never seen a SuperTrapp on a Civic...
I have. A little SM car that runs down here has the 17" one. But he could get like an 8-14" street model they are selling in Summit.
tFUnK
11-08-2003, 06:01 PM
OK then do 2 inch Aluminized Steel piping, With a 24" or so resonator (Magnaflow makes a good one), mandrel bends all the way through, a Catco high flow round cat, and an Apexi N1, or HKS universal muffler (you're going to have to flare the end of the piping, because i belive it has a 60mm inlet). Or you could use a borla boomers, they have 2" inlets but nothing smaller than a 4" tip. Summit sells this new DNX stuff, but I have no idea how it sounds.
OR
You coud run a SuperTrapp :headbang:
what's a supertrapp?
btw that was good info you just gave. since nobody in the bay area does mandrel bends im stuck with alluminum L-bends. borla boomer or the ultraflow mentioned earlier might be the mufflers i'll be going with. thanks for the advice.
boosteddet
11-09-2003, 12:02 AM
Well I think it matters which cars. Usually imports go with apexi, hks, Trust etc... and domestics go with borla, flowmasters, etc...
Well I think it matters which cars. Usually imports go with apexi, hks, Trust etc... and domestics go with borla, flowmasters, etc...
That's due to the owners' misconceptions, thinking that you HAVE to have an import-oriented exhaust on an import. And that spending $300 on a polished glasspack with a japanese brand name makes more sense than a $50 normal straight-through muffler. Or why they'd buy $250 CAIs when a $35 K&N would have the same effect. It's called marketing.
Tadash130
11-09-2003, 05:13 PM
Exhaust is waste of money, buy suspension instead.
tFUnK
11-09-2003, 09:00 PM
Exhaust is waste of money, buy suspension instead.
took care of that already
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