Get out and vote on Tuesday!

[fast928]

And remember, if you like high performance cars, Democrats have not been your friends.

[Tadash130]

Vote NO on the recall.

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Originally posted by Tadash130
Vote NO on the recall.

Don't you EVER get tired of being wrong?



And now for a separate thought:

If you're stupid, stay home.

If you are concerned that operating a punchcard ballot might be beyond your level of competency, stay home.

If you believe anything the media tells you in the week before the election, stay home.

[max_misawa]

hahahaha yeah i want a car that is ECO friendly (zero emmisions)
and can pull 1/4 mile in 3 seconds.

WTF do those people smoke to give them such shitty ideas?

Max

[Asad]

Originally posted by PNG
Don't you EVER get tired of being wrong?


I'd like to know why you're against the recall? Persoanlly, I feel that it's a little extreme in blaming Gray Davis for all the problems and crisises that California has entered. Section 13a, is it strictly limited to Govener or his cabnite(sp)? But I'm against the recall because California voted in a valid election, and now they're "butt hurt" that they are facing a few hard times.

If the recall does go, I would personally not like to see Arnold win. He doesn't have much experience, nor has he truely laid down a plan for California. To fix this deficit, taxes will be implimented, car tax, alcohol tax, whatever, taxes will be enforced, and there is no way to avoid that. So I want to inquire, why do you vote yes on the recall, and whom would you like to see win?

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Originally posted by Asad
I'd like to know why you're against the recall? Persoanlly, I feel that it's a little extreme in blaming Gray Davis for all the problems and crisises that California has entered. Section 13a, is it strictly limited to Govener or his cabnite(sp)? But I'm against the recall because California voted in a valid election, and now they're "butt hurt" that they are facing a few hard times.

If the recall does go, I would personally not like to see Arnold win. He doesn't have much experience, nor has he truely laid down a plan for California. To fix this deficit, taxes will be implimented, car tax, alcohol tax, whatever, taxes will be enforced, and there is no way to avoid that. So I want to inquire, why do you vote yes on the recall, and whom would you like to see win?

Uh, I'm in favor of the recall...

All you need to know about why the governor needs to go:

Over the last five years, California's growth in population from all sources, coupled with inflation, comes out to 21%

Over the last five years, revenue has increased 25%

Over the last five years, spending has increased 40%

It's no big mystery why we're $38 billion in the hole - Davis never had a spending bill cross his desk that he wasn't willing to sign, as long as there was a check made out to his campaign committee paper-clipped to it.

The California constitution has a provision for recalling the governor for any reason we feel like, if you can get 12% of the voting population to petition for it. The budget disaster we're in is as good a reason as any, without going into his bungling of the power crisis or the raft of insane bills he's signed over the last eight weeks. It's like the last days of Nazi Germany, with the retreating troops destroying anything of value in their own country so it won't fall into the hands of the Allies...

[fast928]

I'm voting for Arnold because Gray Davis is a crooked and stupid man. He peddles influence at a level unheard of since Alan Cranston. He appointed Haim Saban, whose educational qualifications are limited to producing Mighty Morphin' Transformers, a UC Regent. Saban was the largest donor to the Democratic National Committee with $10,300,000 in the year 2002. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Want more? How's this:

The $24 million sale of land to build a Miwok Indian casino was brokered by a group of high-powered political operatives, one of whom is the son of Sen. Barbara Boxer, whose legislation enabled the tribe to take up gaming.

Doug Boxer is a partner in a real estate development partnership that secured about 2,000 acres near Sears Point where the Coast Miwoks want to build a casino and hotel. Doug Boxer's partnership, Kenwood Investments No. 2, obtained an option to buy the majority of the land for the Nevada casino corporation working with the tribe and negotiated the sale of the remaining parcels for the project, according to Sonoma County property records and attorneys involved in the transactions.

In announcing its plans to build a casino, tribal leaders and the tribe's representatives said they had hired Doug Boxer's politically connected partner, Darius Anderson of Sonoma, to help the tribe obtain a favorable gaming compact from the office of Gov. Gray Davis.

Sounds like Davis is in bed with Boxer, Boxer is in bed with her son.

Gray Davis screwed up big time with the long term energy commitments he made at the height of the energy crisis. He crowed about these deals, which were made in secret. Now that these contracts are way out of the money, he's whining that the state got fucked, in the passive voice. In fact, he got out-negotiated. He lacked the skill and experience to negotiate favorable terms on energy derivatives. The state of CA is getting the bill.

I have a pretty low bar for politicians, that they put the will of their constituents first. I think Arnold will do that. I know Gray Davis won't.

[Tadash130]

So the question now is, who are people voting for to replace Davis?

[Moparwagonz]

Is it just me or have davis and bustamante become even more unlikeable in the past day or two. I smell......desperation.

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Originally posted by Moparwagonz
Is it just me or have davis and bustamante become even more unlikeable in the past day or two. I smell......desperation.

More importantly, have you noticed that in the last week, they've totally abandoned any pretense of campaigning on issues? They've both gone 100% negative - not a peep about how they'll supposedly un-fuck the state, just carpet-bombing Schwartzenegger with any kind of crap they can think of.

Reporter: "So, governor Davis - how will you address the budget shortfall?"

Davis: "We had absolutely nothing to do with the LA Times article! But I'm urging the attorney general to investigate these allegations, despite the fact that the statute of limitations has clearly run out!"


Reporter: "Mr. Bustamonte, do you have any comment on the fact that California residents may need passports to travel by air between, say Chicago and St. Louis once drivers' licenses are made available to undocumented immigrants?"

Bustamonte: "If the allegations about Arnold Schwartzenegger expressing admiration for Hitler are true, is that the kind of man we want running the state?"

[Moparwagonz]

I heard one of the news shows earlier that in that Gray Davis violently shook and swore at people on his staff. Including a 62 year old women, who was so shaken up she refused to be in the same room as davis. And It's interesting how davis criticizes arnold so strongly after campaigning with the guy who wrote the book and being an asshole to women, Bill Clinton.

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Originally posted by Moparwagonz
I heard one of the news shows earlier that in that Gray Davis violently shook and swore at people on his staff. Including a 62 year old women, who was so shaken up she refused to be in the same room as davis. And It's interesting how davis criticizes arnold so strongly after campaigning with the guy who wrote the book and being an asshole to women, Bill Clinton.

Yah, but the difference is that Clinton had the presence of mind to vigorously lie about not being a serial rapist, and therefore got let off by the American public. Arnold stepped on his crank when he admitted that in the past he'd done things he regrets now. If you believe Clinton, he's never done anything he's ashamed of. The sad part is that may really be true - His moral compass is so skewed that he believes there's nothing wrong with getting a BJ from a subordinate in the Oval Office, or using Arkansas state troopers to round up potential victims for him to sexually assault.

[StormShadow]

Its ridculous, one of the women who came out was like 80 years old....Someone should make an SRO voting poll for gov and see if it comes out to what the results are like tommorow.....

[thaharlequin]

Fuck Davis, there's plenty of other reasons the defecit could've gone up, we have an entire legislature to blame, even if he did fuck up the budget royally, he's still a small fish...
we need to go after someone bigger, I suggest an impeachment..
simply because
http://sbflipflop.initialized.org/bush1%20copy.jpg

nuff said

[TypeIII]

I am not a fan of George W. Bush, and I definitely do not agree with his economic policies... But you have to realize that the growth we had in the 90's didn't come from Clinton's economic policies either. He was just lucky to be the president during that time of sustained growth.

[XbusinessX]

Hey Arianna Huffington...err I mean ThaHarlequin, this has nothing to do with President Bush. Stay on topic, this is about California.

Democrats and Republicans alike can see the truth and can see that Davis screwed up. Now stop being so partisan and vote for a person that has shown they have some idea of what they are doing and can really help.

Personally, I'm voting for Arnold.

[The Steve]

Actually the economic poicies of Davis and Clinton combined put us where we stand today. They rode the dot com wave without any succession planning. The basically let things work themselves out. Any economic position we stand in is a direct effect of the policies of the previous administration. Mr Bush walked into these problems with the economy he did not create them. On the other hand he needs to push the issue a lot more. These stupid parties need to stop their bickering and work together becase if they don't we will all pay big time!

Thats the main problem right now. They wont work together. Take the time to express your issues to your reps thats the only way things change.

The only way they know th will of the people is if we open our mouths to thm and tell them. If you dont then just shut the fuck up.

Bottom line.

[LiL ChArMie]

Absentee ballot is the best way to go... since I don't have much time on my hand... plus I don't have time to go to the place and vote.

[Jaggorri]

Originally posted by PNG
The sad part is that may really be true - His moral compass is so skewed that he believes there's nothing wrong with getting a BJ from a subordinate in the Oval Office, or using Arkansas state troopers to round up potential victims for him to sexually assault.

You make it sound like he put a gun to her head and told her to start sucking or her brains will see the light of day. In Monica's own words, it was consentual and not forced in the least. And Aren't we reaching a bit with the whole "use the national gaurd to round up women to rape"? Come on now PNG. I've come to expect better of you!

I have a question for those of you that are voting for Arnold though: What has he done in the past that makes you think he is qualified to govern our state? I'm serious. This isn't a joke of a question.

Thanks.

Byron

[williams]

I voted for McClintock. Arnold is an idiot, and I don't like the idea that people in California are willing to support someone who has all muscle and no brains.

[Asad]

Arnold claims to be a man of the people...while wearing suits that cost more than new cars.

And PNG, my bad, words were mixed up.

[XbusinessX]

Because someone can afford nice things (cars, houses, suits, etc) doesn't mean they aren't "a man of the people."

Arnold didn't even have electricity in his house until he was 15 years old. Is that man of the people enough for you? Sure he is rich and famous actor with lots of power and fame, but why does that mean he can't understand what the average person goes through?

Sometimes when a change is due, it is due on all levels. Just because Arnold isn't a career politician doesn't mean he can't and won't do a good job. Shit, he can't do any worse than Davis.

What makes Arnold qualified to run our state? He's a business man, he is dedicated to what he does (charities, helping the youth in communities all around California, acting, bodybuilding, and has now shown a real dedication to his campaign), and he will have good people by his side in Sac. Sure these are some reasons that stay strictly on the surface of the argument..but that's all we've seen so far.

How about the people voting for Bustamante, what has he done to show he can govern our state??

Oh and the vote for McClintock was basically a vote for Bustamante...way to go. :rolleyes:

[thaharlequin]

Originally posted by XbusinessX
Hey Arianna Huffington...err I mean ThaHarlequin, this has nothing to do with President Bush. Stay on topic, this is about California.

Democrats and Republicans alike can see the truth and can see that Davis screwed up. Now stop being so partisan and vote for a person that has shown they have some idea of what they are doing and can really help.

Personally, I'm voting for Arnold.

Yes Mr. Ashcroft, California in is no way connected to the rest of the united states....we're the completely independent people's republic of kalifornia. As a matter of fact our atmosphere doesn't even mingle with that of mexico, nevada, arizona, or oregon... :p

I'm just pointing out that our economy is part of the us's economy, which is as a whole doing crappy...
which implies our economy's also doing crappy...

I didn't say Davis didn't fuck up the budget, I just implied that he might not be the only reason that it's in the condition it's in....

as for arnold...I'm just not cool with the fact that he's so vague about everything...he claimed he was gonna go in and clean up the system, he just neglected to say how....:rolleyes:

It's a moot point anyway...just wait a few years and see what happens I guess. (thank go I'm moving to Nevada) :)

Originally posted by TypeIII
I am not a fan of George W. Bush, and I definitely do not agree with his economic policies... But you have to realize that the growth we had in the 90's didn't come from Clinton's economic policies either. He was just lucky to be the president during that time of sustained growth.

I seriously doubt that Bush could've just sat back and done nothing while a national surplus mysteriously rode away. Giving tax breaks doesn't exactly do alot to bolster the national budget, neither does shipping troops out to various foreign countries or creating a larger government...

besides, the peaks (high and low) of each president came at the end of their administrations.... it's not like the economy is entirely independent of what the federal government does...but its not totally dependent either. What I'm saying is, clinton could've come in at a good time, but he also was intelligent about taking advantage of it to strengthen the overall economic picture... where as bush walked in with a budget surplus, a high stock market, and low unemployment...which he somehow managed to turn into high unemployment, a budget defecit, and a slightly lower stock market....:salute:

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Originally posted by Byron
You make it sound like he put a gun to her head and told her to start sucking or her brains will see the light of day. In Monica's own words, it was consentual and not forced in the least. And Aren't we reaching a bit with the whole "use the national gaurd to round up women to rape"? Come on now PNG. I've come to expect better of you!

I have a question for those of you that are voting for Arnold though: What has he done in the past that makes you think he is qualified to govern our state? I'm serious. This isn't a joke of a question.

Thanks.

Byron


Lewinsky wasn't capable of consent in that situation, and I'll tell you why. In any employer/employee situation, "intimate relationships" are ethically suspect, because the person lower on the org chart is ALWAYS influenced by the power imbalance. Now, let's say one person is the head of the country, and the other is an intern who idolizes powerful men. Sure, it's hard to feel sorry for her, but she was most certainly taken advantage of. It's not right to fuck somebody who's too drunk to make good decisions, and it's not right to solicit hummers from somebody who is so starstruck they'd probably jump off the roof if you asked them to.

Also, if you're going to quote me, get it right. I said "using Arkansas state troopers to round up potential victims for him to sexually assault," which is the literal truth if you believe the troopers who were there.

Here's what Arnold has done that makes him likely to be a better governor than Davis:

He's worked in the private sector and run businesses, whereas Davis has never done anything but work his way up through various local and state elected offices. I believe the catch-phrase there is "signing the front of the check instead of the back." Arnold's not majority-owned by unions, indian tribes, or either major party like Davis is. And finally, it doesn't take a Special Political Genius to run the state - All it takes is someone with some common sense who isn't scared of getting his campaign funds cut off if he steps out of line.

[Civic_Sleeper]

Originally posted by max_misawa
hahahaha yeah i want a car that is ECO friendly (zero emmisions)
and can pull 1/4 mile in 3 seconds.

WTF do those people smoke to give them such shitty ideas?

Max


Sucks to be wrong...you can still have a high performance vehicle and be "ECO" friendly...no one is deveoping them. There are a few 8-9 sec electric drag cars out there. And a company www.commutercars.com (http://www.commutercars.com) that is trying to get more attention to the electric field by building a fast commuter car (still waiting for investors to help fund them).

C_S

[PNG]

Originally posted by Civic_Sleeper
Sucks to be wrong...you can still have a high performance vehicle and be "ECO" friendly...no one is deveoping them. There are a few 8-9 sec electric drag cars out there. And a company www.commutercars.com (http://www.commutercars.com) that is trying to get more attention to the electric field by building a fast commuter car (still waiting for investors to help fund them).

C_S

Electric vehicle options:

Power
Range
Reasonable price

(Choose any two)


The big problem with electric vehicles is that the energy density of current (pardon the pun) battery technology is pathetic, and it's not gonna get better any time soon. I remember that when the EV1 (GM's failed electric car) came out, one of the car magazines pointed out that even with a fully-charged battery, it had as much stored energy on-board as a Honda Civic with the gas gauge on "E".

Look at RC cars - Think about what the weight of the fuel in a nitro car is, versus the run time per tank compared to the battery weight and run time of an electric car of similar performance.