99 boxter vs. 70's Camaro

[Mr Rogers]

i was chillin at the light, just crusin, when i hear a rumble from behind me, a red 71 maybe 72 camaro rolls up. homebay was HEATED. he had the big old 3 1/2' cowl induction and a huge cam. he asked if i wanted to run, my ranch was very stock, usually i wouldn't back down but, he would kill me, it wouldn't even be worth it for him to waste his gas on my car. the light goes green and were still talkin, all the sudden we here a skreech of the tires and this brand new, silver boxter takes off. the camaro just gets on it good, he spun them a little, i say about 2500 rpm he just guns it, by the time the guy in the camaro hit second, the boxter was toast, it was an old dude with his wife, i bet he felt llike shit spending hella money on a car that is fast, but just got wasted by a bad ass camaro.

[ghoust]

sweet..now those are the runs that I just love to watch.

[Ricespotter]

because you are a newbie i won't go flaming you yet, but the "muscle car versus european sports car" streetracing stories are SO FUCKING PLAYED OUT.

you're basically saying "modified car designed to go fast in straight line races car designed to race around curves... and then wins."

you will sound like an idiot if you think that a person who bought a Boxster is:

1) old
2) a bad driver
3) a person that "wasted his money"

last time i checked, Boxsters kept their value quite well, they are reliable, and they are much better handlers than an old Camaro. they are the polar opposite of a Camaro. why don't you NOT waste our time and write this story:

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i was chillin at Laguna Seca, just eating lunch, when i hear a rumble from behind me, a red 71 maybe 72 camaro rolls past the grandstands. homebay was HEATED. he had the big old 3 1/2' cowl induction and a huge cam. he asked me earlier if i wanted to do some laps, my ranch was very stock, usually i wouldn't back down but, he would kill me, it wouldn't even be worth it for him to waste his gas on my car. the flag waved green and all the sudden we here a skreech of the tires and this brand new, silver boxter takes off. the camaro just gets on it good, he spun them a little, i say about 2500 rpm he just guns it. they disappeared and then a lap later the camaro was about 1000 feet behind the little boxster. by the time the camaro came by, the Boxster was already 3 turns ahead. i bet the guy in the camaro felt llike shit spending hella money on a car that is fast, but it can't turn worth a fuck on a road course. he just got wasted by a car with half the horsepower.
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apples and oranges?

[Edited by Ricespotter on 03-24-2001 at 06:03 AM]

[BOB]

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

[Mr Rogers]

i m sorry for gettin to the point and not making up any crap. i tell my stories how i see them, there is no point in making a story sound better unless, 1 you want to or 2 you tel the story how it happens, and by the way my "ranch"
was just about a little longer than a suburban, and i had no wieght over the rear end, unless there was a crusie on the track, then i would not be at Laguna Seca, because i wouldn't even make it through the firt turn with out loopong it around. besides of course a boxster will beat a camaro that is built for drag racing on a road course, get the boxster on the 1/4 and say goodnight, now im not dissing boxster i think there cool, but hey sometimes you pay a lot of money, and some guy pays a lot less and smokes you, that's life. deal with it. i prefer not to embelish a story.

[P-P-Puddin Head]

There is a guy in my unit here who has a 5.0 Stang who said he has the fastest car on post (10.3 1/4 @ 145). I challenged him to a race down TX SH-87, a nice CURVY-ASS road not far from here. He said he wouldn't race like that, cause with all the power in the rear tires, he would spin out too much around the curves and didn't want to land in the ditch. So he backed down from racing a basicly stock Celica GT w/ 140ish hp. So just cause you are fast straight doesn't mean I can't beat you down some nice rural road.

[Ricespotter]

i think we're on the same wavelength here. my 924 and Scirocco are both 125Hp... the list of people i've "smoked" is too damn long to list. the list of people i've "smoked" that had cars with twice the horsepower is too long to list. the list of people i've "smoked" that had cars that were worth 10-20x what both cars put together are too long to list.

what does it prove?

1) i'm a better driver than those people.
2) horsepower doesn't mean a damn thing if you can't control it.
3) horsepower doesn't mean a damn thing when you live in a place that doesn't even have a road tht is flat and straight for 1/4 mile.

if you want to compare cars that are low to the ground, and built for handling, then compare them to similar cars... but i would do a title swap for title swap with the owner of that camaro and race him on the roads around my house. i don't care if he's running 1000 Horsepower i could toast him if his brakes and handling aren't up to the task. when the snow clears, i'll take some pics so you can see what i mean. now would i race him in a staright line.. NO, that would be insane. would he race me on a tight road course, or even an autocross? no, that would be stupid on his part.

all i was getting at is that if you are going to compare racign stories, tell us ones about cars that are both in their element, and are vcenly matched. money doesn't mean a damn thing because i could race a $600,000 1932 Cadillac on any surface, at any time of day, in any condition and there is no way that he could beat me. so why brag about beating a $600,000 car? does that mean the $600,000 car is not as nice as a $3000 one because it can't beat it in a race?

get my [4 wheel] drift ;)

[Mr Rogers]

okay, some guys build cars for the strip, while some guys like yourself have cars that do well in both, i assume, but if i not mistaken in most cases there are some straight aways where you could use some horsepower. how do yout hink you fair againest let's say a Saleen SR. the Sr runs a 1/4 of 11.8, and it handles very well on the track, cause the SR is made for the track. SO i think it would be a toss up. or even better you could have a drag steup in the back and a racing front end, you have so many options with domestics.

[gbhsflip]

Huh, so if I was a better driver, I could beat a mustang GT with my automatic 183+ hp marshmellow??? Is that was you proved in #1 of the list??? hahahahaha j/p dude:)

late

[Ricespotter]

Originally posted by gbhsflip
Huh, so if I was a better driver, I could beat a mustang GT with my automatic 183+ hp marshmellow??? Is that was you proved in #1 of the list??? hahahahaha j/p dude:)

late

if you're only racing in a staright line, then all you are concerned about is horsepower. if you're racing a road course, then you want HANDLING. case in point:

you can lap watkins glen in around 2:10 in a 320Hp Porsche 911 turbo. you can also lap watkins glen in that same time in a 150Hp monoposto race car.

what's the difference... one car is street legal, with air conditioning, a stereo, and holds 2 adults comfortable. the other one has one seat, no amenities, and is illegal on the roads.

you be the judge ;)

[Mr Rogers]

yeah, i do agree with you that people who like the straight line are concerned about how much horsepower then can get to the ground, while the poeple who like roadracing are concenered about how to make their cars stick in the turns. and by the way, the Saleen SR is streetlegal, it just doesn't have any options, like radio, AC, but it does have a heater. the SR is a pure breed race car that is a 2 seater. I love driving on the curves, but i also like the the straight line also. it is a toss up, when i had my ranch, it was made to drive in a staright line, cause it sucked in the turns, big time, i could feel the rearend just wanting to step put on me. i looped that car around so many times. hopefully my next car will do both very well.

[primed chev]

Not to talk sh-t or anything but older camaros handle pretty good with minor mods. trans-am racing was dominated by camaros in the late 60s and early 70s. im not saying they will keep up with a boxter, but with the right driver & the right suspension tweeking the will hold there own. Ive got a 66 el camino thats gonna suprise some people in the twisties this summer, and hopefully put down some decent #s at the strip

[Ricespotter]

i fully agree. those old Trans-Am Camaros were spectacular cars... but comparing a Camaro set up for drag racing to a european car that is bone stock is a bit of a stretch ;)

teamhc... no hard feelings, and i hope i didn't come off this way, but there's been many 4 or 5 page flame wars over people saying "this and that car sucks because it can't go fast in a straight line and is more expensive than this other car"

just wanted to make sure you didn't start another 6-page flame war. welcome to SRO :D
;)

[Mr Rogers]

you'll find out that i am a neutral person. i don't like to argue, but people xhould race just to race and have fun, isn'tr that the whole idea of racing?

[OneTime]

Man SRO is still Crackin huh?? Havent been to these boards in days.

But anyways, Just recently, I drove my friends brothers 99 Porsche Boxter. He went to L.A. so we snatched the keys and joy rided for a bit. An Extremist that I am, I drove the car to its filthy limits (well i tried to). Took it to an industrial area and rode that fucker like there was no tommorrow. That car handled like a bitch. Man I shit you not. It had a triptonics system so we had alot of fun using the thumb shifters. Man I hit turns like 60mph, drifted a bit and manage to gain control just by punching the gas even harder. That car has major handles. The whole time i rode it, i was practically in a trance. Afterwards, i got out of the car and nearly fainted. I nearly throw up from an overdose of adreneline. I started to feel sick cuz I had a reality check. Just what if i bapped the Porsche. I would have been in major shit and that feeling made me sick in the gut. Anyways, sorry for the long post.

[LT WHAT?]

Ricespotter: i'm not flaming you or anything, just a few things i'd like to say:

1) the boxter is a good car, however, most people you do see driving them are old guys who can't drive. sorry thats just the way it is. beleive me i live near a very rich neighborhood and at lesat half the people there have a boxter it seems. none car drive, i've stayed right with them in a stock mustang in the twisties. (back when my 92 was a stock 5-speed)

2) this guy did try to drag race a Camaro, which was his mistake and he is an idiot for that.

before you get upset or anything, i do have great respect for Porsches. i LOVE 944's(the one everyone calls the cheap prosche?) and of course how can you not love the 911 turbo and 959? s'all cool tho.

[Ricespotter]

Originally posted by LT WHAT?
Ricespotter: i'm not flaming you or anything, just a few things i'd like to say:

1) the boxter is a good car, however, most people you do see driving them are old guys who can't drive. sorry thats just the way it is. beleive me i live near a very rich neighborhood and at lesat half the people there have a boxter it seems. none car drive, i've stayed right with them in a stock mustang in the twisties. (back when my 92 was a stock 5-speed)

2) this guy did try to drag race a Camaro, which was his mistake and he is an idiot for that.



1) i disagree with the "old guys". most of the people i know with Boxsters are 40 or under. maybe in your area they're old.

2) agreed. Porsches aren't for drag racing.

[LT WHAT?]

Originally posted by Ricespotter
1) i disagree with the "old guys". most of the people i know with Boxsters are 40 or under. maybe in your area they're old.


well, around here it's like that. i dunno.

[LT WHAT?]

Ricespotter, i have a question. i want to get into SCCA racing since i recently found out they hold events every once in while around here. i wanna know what a cheap setup is i could go with on a Porsche. i'm talkin real cheap dont have much $ to work with. like under 5 grand if possible? i think you mentioned something about that somewhere.

[Ricespotter]

this is the full racing version of my 924. no, it's not the fastest in a straight line, but DAMN CAN IT HANDLE!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=571920969&r=0&t=0

cheap to maintain compared to the air-cooled Porsches, handles like a dream, and under your $5000 mark.

cars like that pop up all the time, for between $3500 to $5000. you could get a 924 turbo also, but they are VERY expensive to fix if you break them.

if you want to buy a Porsche and then do the suspension, the easiest suggestion would be to go with Koni adjustables all around, get 300lb springs, thicker torsion bars in the rear, and a heavier duty sway bar from a 944 turbo (they bolt right in). then add a roll cage and you will have a chassis that is as flat as a pancake in the tightest of turns.

here's a friend of mine with an SCCA race car. copy what he did and you'll be in the right direction:

http://www.vaughanscott.com

and if you had a little bit mroe cash, here's another "giant killer"

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=573502208&r=0&t=0

here's some basics to get you started once you've found a car:
suspension components:
http://www.ground-control.com/

http://www.smartcart.com/Paragon/cgi/search.cgi?terms=924%2C944%2C968::Suspension&category=924%2C944%2C968+:+Suspension

safety equipment:
http://www.chassisengineering.com/new/roll-cages.htm
http://www.ioportracing.com/

more horsepower:
http://www.paeco.com/


good luck! feel free to write back if you need more info.

[LT WHAT?]

thanks for the info, it will be a good deal of help. i'm not sure when i'm gonna be able to do this tho, hopefully before summer.

[WestTexasRiceBoy]

of all the street racing sites i post on, ect i have never seen a boxter win at all....

[Ricespotter]

Originally posted by WestTexasRiceBoy
of all the street racing sites i post on, ect i have never seen a boxter win at all....

good! hopefully that'll teach the owners to keep the cars in their element and drive them on the track... where they rule!

[BlueImpreza]

I was at the Dixon races on saturday and in a Red Boxter. I raced a turbo RX-7 twice and won both times. And the night before i smoked a 1993? formula thunderbird twice. So what i am getting at is that boxters arent that slow.
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