Hi I'm very new here!!

[fireballer304]

Hi everyone!! Due to a family member recently passing away I have come into the money that I have wanted for some time to put myself in a nice ride. I'm not looking to drive something off a lot I want to customize a street racer. I've talked to a few friends of mine with more experience doing the hands on part of the job than I have and we've got a few ideas. At a local salvage yard I will be picking up the body of a Mitsubishi 3000GT. After this, I am going to speak with a friend of mine about getting an engine for it (I know the 3000GT is nice the way it is but I want a little more). I am seriously considering putting the Toyota 2JZ engine in but that is really big bucks I would have to save up some even with what I recently came into. If anyone else has a suggestion on a different engine I could use I am more than happy to take ideas because of the price and the hectic challenge of fitting that engine in a 3000GT body anyways....gimme a little help people PLEASE!!!

[fireballer304]

You're absolutely right, it is a very nice engine. But I'm not sure what kind of shape the engine is in, the body does need some work. Someone at the college here in the body shop is doing that for me as a project for his class he is teaching. And as far as being able to make modifications I am much more familiar with the Supra engine than the 3000GT, also this one is NOT the VR4 model. But Thanks for the comment and I will think about what you have said.

[entix]

for the cost of putting a supra engine in and getting it to run right, you might as well just buy a supra.

[fireballer304]

I wasn't quite sure what the 2JZ would run, but if you're sure about that then it is an excellent point.

[Ike]

I seriously hope you're not planning on drag racing with that FWD tank.

As for the stock (non-VR4) engine it won't be turbocharged, and for the price you would be paying to shove a shitty Supra engine in there it won't be worth it regardless, expect to be paying massive amounts of money for custom fabrication, transmission fitting, etc, etc.

There are better choices for the price, both import and domestic, such as actually buying a VR4 or Stealth R/T Turbo (since you seem to have a thing for the 3Si's) and spending the money you plan on buying the boat with to mod the shit out of it... but it is your money, so do what you want with it.

[fireballer304]

easy now...I told ya'll I'm new and don't have the most experience in the world I'm trying to learn here. This is why I'm getting opinions before I go spending my money. Give me suggestions not criticism. If you have a different body or engine let me hear about it...not just the steam you decide to blow off in my direction.

[Ike]

Im just giving you truthful fact, i'm not flaming you at all.

If I wanted to flame you I would have told you alot different, instead of suggesting the alternatives for you. Its not about blowing steam off at all, if you think my post was critical just wait until everyone else wakes up.

I was just giving you a head-ups without sugar coating, im direct thats just how I am.

[fireballer304]

I can respect that guy. But it really does kinna suck royally to have to ability to get something that you love and want with all your heart but don't have the knowledge to be sure if you're getting the best you can get.

[Ike]

If you want to go with a 3000GT look into a VR-4...

http://www.3si.org/

All the info / articles / pictures / whatever about a 3000gt you could possibly ever want.

[nessaworld2004]

Why are bird names gay

[BLAH BLA]

tips for starting a project:
1. decide what it is exactly that you want, a nice looking driver, a full-on racecar or something in between.
2. do some research into the car you want and and figure out how much money it will take to accomplish your goal.
3. do the math and see if you can afford it. this is the hard part.

why do you want to build this car?

[fireballer304]

I want to build this car because all my life I have never had the money for anything. Now that I have it, I would like to invest it in something that I care about a lot (cars). But I have a very large setback, my parents were divorced when I was very young and I haven't seen my dad much so I've never really been around anyone that's been able to teach me about them. I guess if I build a car I'll have to learn at least a few things about how they work...

[BLAH BLA]

actually i was wondering why you wanted the mitsubishi 3000, if you gotta' have that car then you will have to make some concessions because the car is pretty heavy. there are probably better choices of platforms if your are not dead set on that car.

[fireballer304]

No I'm not dead set on anything. If you have any suggestions I'm wide open to hear them. How much would it cost to convert your average 3000GT into a VR4 model?

[sracer]

Might I suggest the 90-95 Nissan 300 ZX Twin Turbo its RWD and I believe its not as Heavy. (Storm Do you want to cover this car more) You may want to get a hold of StormShadow He just picked up as 1995 300 ZX TT and could tell you alot more on it. He should know how much it ways.

I also sugget the 93-95 mazda RX-7. Sure its a Rotary Motor and does require a little more maintaince then other cars. But since your learning about all cars anyways try giving thi car a shot too.

Well I hope this helps. Good luck and keep us updated

[fireballer304]

I thought about the RX-7...the principles of the rotary are simple enough but the actualy mechanics are a little over my head. I'm still trying to figure it all out and considering it. And I had not even thought about the 300 ZX I will try to get in touch with him about that. Thanks for the advice!!

[Sniper]

Originally posted by fireballer304
No I'm not dead set on anything. If you have any suggestions I'm wide open to hear them. How much would it cost to convert your average 3000GT into a VR4 model?

that's pretty much impossible......your falling into the same trap i always do....the 'hey it's cheap, so i'll give it a shot' trap.....by the time you have all the work in getting the thing back to even stock specs, you're going to have 2X what it would have cost just to buy the right thing in the first place.......

[BLAH BLA]

what are you looking to spend and what do you like, also how much performance are you looking for.

[fireballer304]

In the long run I will probably spend 20-25k. as far as performance though...with what I have been driving I would be satisfied with anything. But 13s would be nice...of course better is always welcome. But I really don't know what I'm wishing for because I have no idea what kind of $ results like that would be talking about...??

[Ike]

With that price range, LS-1 Camaro, LS-1 Trans-Am, or a C-5 Corvette.

With those you're pretty much guaranteed to go fast.

[BLAH BLA]

dude that type of money offers so many opportunities, from turbo supra's to used mustang cobra's. why not have two cars, one stripped down race-car and a nice driver?

[fireballer304]

Good idea blah bla...that makes things a little easier I believe. But I'm still open for suggestions. I never would have even dreamed of a cobra...that's insane.

[BLAH BLA]

it is alot harder to have one car that can do everything you want and stil look good enough to drive on the street. also if you really want to learn how to work on your car it makes it easier. it sucks when you have to rush thru a project so you drive to work/school the next day. or if you break something at the track you not don't have to ride the bus to work until you fix it.

[Project_Lude]

yeah, i would suggest a c4 vette, hell, maybe u could even find a grand sport for that amount(doubtful). The C4 vettes have a lot of power and are very under-rated. The body styling isn't as pretty as any of the other generations IMO, but u could get one running 11's for less money than u have and it still be a daily driver.

[Carcrazy]

What about the 5.0 stang?Has anyone mentioned it yet?Most the time its the first car to come up.

[Ike]

Instead of a C4 why not get a C5, less maintenance issues to worry about, all around better car.

[Project_Lude]

Originally posted by Dmstic Dstrbnce
Instead of a C4 why not get a C5, less maintenance issues to worry about, all around better car.
can u find c5's for that price? I haven't been looking at prices for them lately so i don't really know.

[Ike]

You can get a decent 97-99 C5 for around 20-25k.

[shifterkart1]

Get an import... then you wont have to spend soo much money just maintaining it, and use that money to buy performance parts, and there are lots. The 3000gt is too heavy if your looking to drag the car. Just get a Honda civic and put in a built motor, cost way less than that 97-99 C5 dmstic dstrbnce talking about... plus it will smoke it too.

[Ike]

You're a fucking moron. :)

[BLAH BLA]

he brought up reliability, nobody asked for the most reliable car to get to the market and back. lets keep all the honda civic motor swap/hybrids out of this conversation. we are talking performance cars not fwd economy cars.

i may be a little biased, but either supercharged fox body mustang or second generation(70-73) chevy camaro.

[Asad]

Originally posted by shifterkart1
Get an import... then you wont have to spend soo much money just maintaining it, and use that money to buy performance parts, and there are lots. The 3000gt is too heavy if your looking to drag the car. Just get a Honda civic and put in a built motor, cost way less than that 97-99 C5 dmstic dstrbnce talking about... plus it will smoke it too.

:rolleyes:

So okay. Lets do this.

Civic Si, $12,000 for a clean titled, decent milage, good condition Si.

160hp
120lb-ft (not sure)

Then lets toy with it.
Motor (assuming you do all your own labor)
EDIT> This is assuming you don't buy a GS-R B18 and toy with that. If so, add another Grand or so.
Low compression pistons: $600ish
New Connecting Rods: $450ish
Block: $2000
Cams: $200
Turbocharger: $500-1000ish
Other shit needed for a turbo: $2000

So lets see, we have a decently quick ass car. But wait! Can the chassis handle this?!!?!? NO!

Brakes: $700-1400
Suspension: $700-2000
Tires: $400

Now for shits and giggles, lets fuck with the car some more.

I/H/E- $1000 (Edit> my bad, cancel the headers.)
Gauges- $150 (w/pods)
New Differential- $800
New Clutch- $400
Fuel system: $400

Grand Total: $22,110

But we got some shit to throw out: Legalness, warranty, and that thing called relaiblity.
But wait, its still a civic. And fwd.

2001 Corvette

350hp
350lbft

Stock.

Kbb (with: 20,000mi, excellent condition, fully loaded): 30,625

Hmm, 7 grand for a being legal, with a warranty, and relaible? Way too fucking mucH!!!!!!



:rolleyes:

[shifterkart1]

hmmm... street driven 11 sec. car not performance? then what is if you dont mind me asking. 15 sec. so called sportcar mustangs? i dont think so buddy

[BLAH BLA]

oh great another unicorn! why is it that everybody claims that these 11 second daily driven full interior fwd civics are everywhere? there not. how do you compare a compare a full racecar to a stock mustang, you do it because you are an idiot. since you don't know i'll let in on a secret a mustang is not a sports car. and a civic is an economy car.....

[Ike]

lol 11 second forced induction street civic? Very rare indeed, most civics with boost are running MAYBE 13s and 14s and some 12s, but not many (save for a handful) are running 11's.

If it was as easy as you think it is im sure more ricers would be running these magical 11's you claim to see as a common place... MOST pro fwd rice dragsters only run between high 11s and 10s, and thats with a fully redesigned body, gutted interiors, the list goes on... very few civic enthusiasts run anything less than 13s or 12s, the numbers that can run anything less are easily counted on a hand.

Not to mention a C5 is a total performance package, not just bolting down a 1/4 mile but made to perform in terms handling as well... lets see an "11 second" civic even make a turn.

I don't see Civics winning any performance awards... must be kind of intimidating to look at the C5's trophy shelf.

Ill stick with superior stock performance and not having to worry about smog or insurance grilling me because my stock motor can't hang and I felt the need to replace it.

[shifterkart1]

hey blah blah...on one of your earlier post, you said that a civic is not a performance car...yet your last post says that its a full race car? make up your mind....what is it? and you said a mustang is not a sports car, then why are they marketing it as such?

[greg]

Heres the facts-

Corvette: Drive to the track, listening to your awesome stereo. Watch a DVD with the A/C blasting while you are in the staging lanes, run an 11 or 12 sec quarter mile, and drive home, stopping by the local mall and picking up tons of chicks

Civic: Trailer your car to the track. Be hot and stuffy in your fully gutted and caged car, with earplugs in, cause your open header is too damn loud, go run a 13 or 14 and the have your shit trailered home to fix all the parts you broke.

Get the picture?

[aSiaNdoboI]

how much driving experience do you have?(fireballer)

[Asad]

Originally posted by BLAH BLA
a mustang is not a sports car.


Wait, what?

[Asad]

I like my Lexus Nakamichi system. Its really impressive for a stock system.

[greg]

Originally posted by Import Hater
The stereo doesn't sound all that great...the Marc Levinson unit in the Lexus LS430 is what I'd call "awesome


better than a stock civic's, not that the civic driver would have a radio.

Originally posted by Import Hater
But I have done exactly what you've described there.

I was thinking of you and your car as i typed it...;)

Originally posted by Import Hater
Except the picking up chicks part.


But you are like eleventy billion years old, and you dont need a car to pick up chicks. Hell, i bet you havent gone to a mall to "pick up" chicks in ages. But a young kid in a vette would probably get a LOT of tail.

[BLAH BLA]

is this news, the mustang was never a sports car, nor was the camaro the car that was designed to compete against it. a muscle car yes. performance in a 1/4 mile does not make a sports car and it certainly does not make a civic into a performance car. a turbo civic is no more a sports car than a supercharged ice-cream truck. they both go faster than stock and you look silly trying to race either of them, but they are not performance cars.

[Angel5]

Originally posted by BLAH BLA
the mustang was never a sports car...performance in a 1/4 mile does not make a sports car

A Cobra owns an RX8 around a racetrack too. But the RX8 is the sportscar? Riiight.
Heck, even a 4-door G35 can beat an RX8 around the track.

If all's it takes is good handling to make a car a sportscar, then an ACR Neon is purebread sportiness.

The Mustang was never a musclecar, neither was the Camaro. Unlike popular belief, the newest gen F-bodies and Cobras can actually handle quite well.

[EskimoBob]

whoa whoa whoa.....

you going to do what to a 3000GT??? are you on crack

BAN HIM!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Ike]

haha Go Bob!

[BLAH BLA]

if you talk to chevy they will tell you they only had one sports car, and that is the vette. the cobra is a mustang but w/major upgrades and especially an irs. yes it is a mustang but from the beginning it was supposed to do something that the regular mustang didn't, that was handle well. carrol shelby is a roadrace guy. no the neon is not a sports car, in my opinion a modern sports car needs rwd, and an irs. but that is just my opinion

[Kenny9710]

first of all if anyone ever calls a civic a sports car is sadly mistaken. The fastest civic ive ever witnessed was a 13 second fully gutted no a/c no nothin civic that was all motor. Now take that 13 sec civic with not a damn thing in it. Then look at an LS-1 Trans Am or Camaro. Youve got a platform which bone stock runs a mid 13, with full interior and all the common ammenities. Hell a few guys have broken into the 12's on a bone stock Trans Am WS6. Now take all that money that u just saved by not buyin the 3000gt and tryin to get it fixed with a supra engine, put that money into the T/A and your possibly into the 11 second runs, with still a full interior and everything else. If your stuck on a 3000gt dont waste your money on piecin that thing back together, just go get a nice vr-4 which still is an extremely heavy car.(around 4000lbs i think???) Or if you want import like the others said go with a 300zx or RX-7. I used to own a 1990 z and can tell u what a great car it was, looked great and can out handle my T/A. Just make sure u go TT if u get one. As for the Rx-7, they are really light from what ive been told, somewhere around 2700lbs i think??? And they are great power plants to, ive got a friend who just got his back from gotham racing in dallas and is puttin down somewhere around 400rwhp with only spendin about 2gs.

[greg]

Originally posted by Kenny9710
they are really light from what ive been told, somewhere around 2700lbs i think???

Since when is 2700 lbs light? :haha:

[Kenny9710]

compared to a vr-4, i would i think that 2700lbs is pretty light.

[greg]

Compared to a VR-4, an Abrahms Tank is light...

[BLAH BLA]

whats the hp/liter of an m-1 abrams....:D

[EskimoBob]

3800lbs and in the 12's....not too bad....

i gave up on loosing weight:(