project update

[fusionsport]

Well as many of you know I finally got my 91 Eclipse GST delivered, and have started work.
On delivery the first thing I noticed was the cam belt was still installed(not what I was led to believe) and the head was still on the car(also not what i was led to believe, as I was told the timing belt had broken and bent several valves...HMMMMM maybe it was just the balance shaft belt???? nahhhh couldnt be that easy....
It wasnt...the t-belt had either slipped or broken at some point and on removal of the cylinder head 6 of 16 valves were badly bent, the pistons all showed signs of contact. This means I now also have to pull the oil pan and remove the rods and pistons so that I can see if the ring lands are crushed, and if the rod bearings have been hammered by the valves nailing the pistons...sooo much fun..
On a more pleasant not I now have the following parts "acquired" and awaiting installation..
HKS blow off valve
HKS cams 264/272
greddy e/manage
conquest i/c(this might get sold as I am not sure of its effectiveness at the intended boost levels
New Garret t3/t4 .57 trim turbo
new exhaust manifold
bigger fuel pump(walbro255 for now..might go to aeromotive further on)
second cyl head to port on

I am currently looking for the following..so if any of you happen to have any of this stuff hanging out lemme know

JDM Cyclone Intake
550 or 660 injectors(better hurry tho I get a deal from RC)
any water/alchohol injection stuff...tho I am building my own setup
any trust/tial/hks/ etc external wastegate

If you happen to have any 1g dsm parts you might think I would be intereted in post up..if you have a similar project and wanna comment..post up.. hell just post up

[Sniper]

hmmmm....i'm sure you've researched this more than i have....but i've got ask why you've gone with the a couple parts.....400hp is still the goal right?.....

HKS BOV and cams?.......everyone seems to like the stock BOV, crushed atleast.......heard the cams don't do anything until after the stock redline...dunno if the stock valve train is up to it or not?......

the conquest IC?.......probably right........my limited knowledge would say skip the cams and step up to a good aftermarket unit.......those cams a damn expensive!......

the t3/t4 and new header?....why not a good ported gen2 and big16 or 20G.........prolly cheaper in the end.....

and the intake?....why not go with a sheet one if you're got a decent budget to play with?...........

[fusionsport]

yeah 400hp on pump gas is still the goal, and to just kinda explain some of this

the HKS blow off is one of three I am trying, the stocker, the HKS, and a Trust/greddy type S...whichever one i like the best is the one that will be used. As I am converting to a MAP sensor instead of using the MAS I will be venting to atmosphere.

The HKS cams I got a deal on and wasnt planning to buy them, but as long as I have the head off....

the conquest cooler is kinda up in the air...a lot of ppl love them but several ppl have reported they heat soak pretty bad, and as I fully intend to actually use this car on trackdays(already have a rollbar as a foundation for a cage) heat soak is not gonna make me happy, I will be combatting this with water/alcohol misting of the i/c AND water injection, which may be good enough

my exhaust mani was cracked, so I bought a stocker to use for now..at 50 bucks and shipping I couldnt lose. Later on I might build a tube header with a proper collector, but for now cast iron is the way to go...ported of course

The t3/t4 I also got a deal on, the 16g was far more money and I wasnt impressed with the specs, although if I could have found a HRC super16 I might have bought it instead, the t3/4 was a third the money and equal or better performance so I couldnt pass it up

the cyclone intake is just something I want to play around with, to see if I can get it to produce the same top end numbers as a ported 2g while being better "under the curve"...I am planning on using the vtec output of the emanage to map the intake switching just like vtec in a honda, and of course porting the intake all to hell and comparing numbers on the bench, a sheet one is still an option but even before that I am going to make a new charge-pipe to throttlebody fitting, as the stocker is wayyyy small and cannot be ported out as much as I think it should

something I forgot to mention is that I have a superflow 110 flowbench to screw around on, so i am flowing each piece of the intake system and exhaust system, something that would cost a small fortune if I had to actually pay for it, but only costs me the lucite and aluminum to make the adapters for the head, intake, i/c, exhaust mani, etc

[CoNFuSioUs2002]

when my tb went i bent 12 valves and had dents in all of my pistons, after my head was rebuilt (left the botom end the same) the car ran faster, i guess i have no bottem end problems or they will show up later. My compression is also the same as before (148, 148, 148, 140) Good luck with your dsm. I bought my 2nd gen manifold from a friend for $50, you can probably find one that somebody wants to get rid off for $75, port it out and your set. Alot can be doen with a 16g, a matter of a fact there is a guy right now running 12 flats with a 14b.

[gsxtreme]

Originally posted by fusionsport
the conquest cooler is kinda up in the air...a lot of ppl love them but several ppl have reported they heat soak pretty bad, and as I fully intend to actually use this car on trackdays(already have a rollbar as a foundation for a cage) heat soak is not gonna make me happy, I will be combatting this with water/alcohol misting of the i/c AND water injection, which may be good enough

The only problem I have with this is that the IC is to small for the current turbo. It proves great gaines over stock with a smaller turbo but the performance to cost on your setup isn't worth it.

Originally posted by fusionsport
my exhaust mani was cracked, so I bought a stocker to use for now..at 50 bucks and shipping I couldnt lose. Later on I might build a tube header with a proper collector, but for now cast iron is the way to go...ported of course


The stock manifold wont bolt up to the garret so just stop teasing us and build the header ;)

I am looking forward to the bench test on the intake manifold and I hope the repair goes smoothly. www.rnrracing.com makes a great FMIC kit.

[gsxtreme]

Also, look into the 2g throttle body elbow as it doesn't have that ugly little pie hole. :)

[fusionsport]

I am still contemplating building a header..but the collector I want is wayy expensive...however if a few of you other dsmers out the are interested i might be talked into building a few of them

just out of curiousity is anyone running or know anyone running a 3" turbo back wihout a muffler? or with a muffler? hows it sound?
going to order the tubing for the exhaust next week and am undecided about muffler options ....someone post up

[Sniper]

my boss is running a full 3" from the turbo back...no cat, no muffler.....it gets kinda loud when you get on it, and gives one hell of a cackle when you let up, but really it's not that bad......when just cruising it's surprisingly mello...has a kinda low, 5.0esq tone to it.....not a fart can sound at all..at idle its barely even noticible........i can only assume that with a cat it would be even less.........

[CoNFuSioUs2002]

Originally posted by fusionsport
I am still contemplating building a header..but the collector I want is wayy expensive...however if a few of you other dsmers out the are interested i might be talked into building a few of them

just out of curiousity is anyone running or know anyone running a 3" turbo back wihout a muffler? or with a muffler? hows it sound?
going to order the tubing for the exhaust next week and am undecided about muffler options ....someone post up I got a 3' flex-back exhaust, no cat, with a dynomax muffler, it's not loud unless i get on it. to tell you the truth, i have never heard a loud turbo dsm in my life.

[gsxtreme]

I would go with an Apex muffler. Vishnu has a nice looking muffler that appears stock if you are going for that undercover look.

[Mickee]

hey i might be able to get a good deal on any wastegate... ill post the price 2morrow afternoon gotta call the shop...

let me know if u want 35mm 40mm or what....

[Fenrir]

That is my exact same goal; 350-400ish on pump gas. And it's quite possible with that setup minus two little things:

The IC. I know you have that Starion around and you want to use it ;) ; but it can't supoprt those kind of gains. The IC on it would be good for, maybe, 320ish HP on a T3/T4 hybrid pump gas and no knock.

660cc's all the way. 550cc's might be nearing the max duty cycle of what they are efficient for. There is no point getting 720's since Bushur himself runs only on 660's (strange, I know) Another fuel upgrade that is supposed to be awesome is the stevetek fuel line system. It's on vfaqs and only costs $120 to build.

The .57 should be enough and still streetable. If, for some reason, I decide not to go ball bearing .63 A/R I'll probably step down to the .57. Yea Sniper, the 20g, 16g, mutts, and franks are all proven DSM turbos. But some of us are firm believers that you "go Garrett or go home." ;) People are getting insane gains on the full T3/T4 hybrid kits that they just came out with for DSMs. Heck, a full install kit for the 20g (external wastegate, O2 housing/dump, steel braided oil lines, ported exhaust manifold) runs around $1500-$1800ish. The T3/T4 AGP kit? $1600.

http://www.agpturbo.com/

t3/T4, Tial WG, steel oil feed lines, stainless steel O2 housing, and for another $500 it gets the ability to have instant boost when in the shifts. Oh, and the T3 is designed with the 5th runner in place for the tial. South Florida makes the only tubular manifolds worth buying for the car so I'm hoping these turn out well. ^_-

But fusion is going to get most of that built for him; the kit's for lazy people like me.

the cyclone intake is just something I want to play around with, to see if I can get it to produce the same top end numbers as a ported 2g while being better "under the curve"...I am planning on using the vtec output of the emanage to map the intake switching just like vtec in a honda, and of course porting the intake all to hell and comparing numbers on the bench, a sheet one is still an option but even before that I am going to make a new charge-pipe to throttlebody fitting, as the stocker is wayyyy small and cannot be ported out as much as I think it should

Yea, that's pretty clever if it works out. Post the results on this when you get done testing it out.

And if you go with the HKS I still call that Greddy BOV. :D

[Ranger187]

My girl is looking to put a 16G or 20G turbo in her 92 GSX... Slowboy also makes decent turbos...you have any comments on this?

[gsxtreme]

Slowboy puts together decent kits but I mean it is a 20g and he isn't doing anything different for the 1g guys. It is all the same options.

[fusionsport]

ok another update... have recieved a lot of the parts I need and am only waiting on the valves and new turbine to arrive to reassemble... decided against the HKS cams for now but am looking into doing my own n20 direct port setup, as I cant find a kit I like out there right now..anbd i dont need a kit anyways

I will be using the water injection, and misting systems an am fabing a new throttle body elbow now...

more to come..stay tuned

[fusionsport]

Newest update-

I have began porting the head.. there is a lot of meat in there for porting and the flowbench is showing great increases. The turbo has arrived, and is HUGE compared to the stocker.. I cant wait to get this thing doneand on the dyno..

I will post some pictures of the head on the flowbench, the turbos side by side, and a few others...

I still need to find wheels, and I have no idea what I will decide on, but I am still looking into it

[gsxtreme]

I have some GSX rims that are in dire need of some TLC.

[fusionsport]

ok and to bring us all up to date

I have bought a set of EVO 2 pistons and rods for my car, ported the head and flowed it on the bench, and recived my headgasket and ARP studs, so this bad boy is almost back together. I still need to get the boost controller, which I have been lax on, and order my MAF translator.. we have several GM MAF sensors at the shop, which saves me having to buy one. I am gonna mount it blow through style so I can vent my BOV to atmosphere. The MAF also allows me to upgrade to 3" i/c piping later if I want. Later this week I will be enlarging my throttle elbow to at least 2.5", and if I decide later to go to 3" i/c piping I will modify the intake to take a 5.0 mustang TB or one of the Corvette ones we have laying around. I also ordered my 3" exhauast tubing to make up the exhaust, and there are currently no plans for any sort of muffler, although I have a Borla race muffler sitting around just in case
The turbo is for now being mounted using the oem manifold and and adapter plate I made in the shop, although I have oredered the pieces I need to fab up a tubular header and external wastegate, and soon as I have time I will build it up. For the AWD car a header has been ordered from South Florida Performance, and I will basically duplicate it with some minor changes to better fit my application
Looks like a big week for the DSM, and I hope to have the car up and running at the end of next week, should the exhaust tubing arrive.

[gsxtreme]

Let's see some pictures :)

[fusionsport]

actually I have some.. I justr need someone to resize them and post them.. I have no time for t myself :)

[Jaggorri]

Road Race Engineering has a 3in exhaust on their GST race car with no muffler or anything. It exits out the side of the car, with that 90 being the only bend in the system. From what I've heard, it's not that loud either (and it shoots flames to boot, which is always effective in scaring the poor little Hondas trying to keep up woth you)

As for the Starion FMIC- I say ditch it and go with a bigger core along with a better radiator. With what you have now, that IC is going to be way past it's effectiveness.

One other thing that you should definately consider is a Quaife LSD. God know FWD DSMs need it.

Byron

[TypeIII]

Holy shit people are talking about cars!

[PC]

nope you are seeing things Ken..

Don i think you should reconsider on the cams. the mr2 guys are doing real well with big cams at sane rpm levels. to take full advantage of them you may need to raise the redline some but not alot.

oh a turbo and no muffler is loud but no where near as loud as an NA with no muffler. the cams will make it louder though if you do decide to use them.

[entix]

i ran a straight downpipe for a while, on a 3 liter. wasnt too loud.. the turbo really does quiet everything down a bit.

[fusionsport]

finally pics are done lol here is the car itself

[fusionsport]

another

[fusionsport]

now the good stuff.. new vs old turbos

[fusionsport]

another shot

[fusionsport]

and another... this t3/4 is effin huge

[fusionsport]

thanks to MR RC51 for resizing all the pics for me, as my camera software blows

[gsxtreme]

I am glad the car came to the right hands. Why do you want rims? Those work just fine :)

[fusionsport]

newest update....

I have been procrastinating swapping in the EVO2 pistons, but will have the gasket kit and bearings to do just that hopefully this weekend, then its time to button the bastard back up and wait for the MAF translator to come in while I fabricate the exhaust, I/C piping and mounting, water injection setup, and drill the intake for the n2o nozzles and install the pumps for the water injection, i/c mister, and the n2o systems seperate fuel pump, and the boost,n2o and fuel pressure gauges.
At that point the car will run, while I am fabricating the tube header and setting up for the external wastegate, along fabricating a new intercooler.

This project has taken longer than originally planned, mostly because work at the shop has been off the page, and I spent a lot of time porting and flowing the cylinder head, and lookig for parts I hadnt origianly planned on, like the n2o and co2 systems, and the aluminum puleys and MAF translator. I am also trying to one by one replace the motor mounts with urethane ones I am making at the shop in my spare time, If I run out of time I will just buy them, but I have the means to make them, so blahhh thats what I am gonna do.

[CoNFuSioUs2002]

damn, that car is a virgin...stock as hell, can't wait to see how it comes out.

[fusionsport]

latest update:

no real work has been accomplished since the last report since all my time has been devoted to building a new vette
I will resume where I left off in the next cpl weeks, as I will then drop the pan, replace the pistons and rods, install the BSE kit, and reassemble the motor in the car

[psycheb]

i'm just waiting for something to happen and fusionsport admitting that in reality he has no eclipse and has never been apart of a racing team in his life..

*checks "introduce yourself"*... so far so good

[XplicitGST]

Originally posted by fusionsport

I am currently looking for the following..so if any of you happen to have any of this stuff hanging out lemme know

JDM Cyclone Intake


Got one sitting in my garage from when i installed a jdm gvr4 motor into a gsx wit ha blown motor. I used the stock intake manny so its sitting in the garage with all the vacuum lines still on it. Send me a PM if your interested in it.

[fusionsport]

Originally posted by psycheb
i'm just waiting for something to happen and fusionsport admitting that in reality he has no eclipse and has never been apart of a racing team in his life..

*checks "introduce yourself"*... so far so good

lol you will be waiting some time.. as I am as real as it gets... but hey.. i have posted the website of the shop enough times and the phone number is on that site.. so all it takes is a phone call...

[Mr. Bater]

Just for the lazy...www.3r-racing.com

[fusionsport]

lol make sure you can tell the difference between the race team business office and the shop... two different locations lol

[Mickee]

hey don sorry for the LAg... the shop is being a bitch.... and i havent find the time to make the trip myself...

[fusionsport]

no worries Mickee... just lemme know when you get a chance

[fusionsport]

well I might actually get to work on my car again soon... I will keep you guys posted

[fusionsport]

well... now that the nsx has left for california and is pretty much done for the time being, i can actually work on my car again..

to bring my avid rabid fans up to date I have finished the cyl head and have been pondering what to do about the scarred pistons(from the broken timing belt induced collision). I have a set of EVO pistons and rods, a set of OE 1g pistons and rods, and a set of mangled(burned down) JEs on 1g rods. I didnt relish the idea of swapping used pistons into a used motor, and was toying with the idea of just dropping the motor when lo and behold... a gift from heaven... I found a local kid with a decent running 1g talon selling the original motor from his car after doing a jdm swap. I actually got to hear the motor run and verify the motor was running smooth,making boost and holding oil pressure. I got the motor with turbo for 300 bucks. This very simply solved all my bottom end issues. I will pull the rod caps and check the bearings, and put in a new oil pump, throw some new gaskets at it and a new waterpump along with of course all new belts. While I am at it I will install my ported head and cometic head gasket, arp studs, including the arp rod bolts. I am sending out my turbo housing to have it coated, and might send the cast iron T3 exhaust manifold along with it, although I am seriously considering sending it out to be extrude honed, as it will end up being the restriction.
At this point I have pretty much decided to ditch the greddy emanage and go with the AEM EMS, so the emanage, MAF translator, etc are now for sale. I also have a set of EVO cams I will be trying first to see what kind of power I can get over the stockers without losing drivability.
All in all i am pretty close to finishing this thing, with the only major piece i need to make a decision about is the intercooler,I still have the starquest one, but am thinking a bigger one will be in order. Still considering the one offered by Mickee, as well as a spearco or griffin core, just havent made a decision yet.

Oh and i still have no wheels(other than the stockers). Would really like some kosei K1s or similar, maybe a set of tsw blades or similar... i just havent found a set i like yet.

Oh and as a minor sidenote... i might have bought a same year GSX, and there is a good possibility I will simply transfer all the hot rod stuff from the GSt over to the GSX and just return the GSt to near stock and sell it.... but we shall see

[CoNFuSioUs2002]

Originally posted by fusionsport
to bring my avid rabid fans up to date I have finished the cyl head and have been pondering what to do about the scarred pistons(from the broken timing belt induced collision). lol, when my timing belt went, all the intake valves put dents in the pistons, we got the car back together with the stock 120k mile dented pistons and low and behond compression was the exact same as before 149, 149, 149, 139, i just need to save up some $ for a full rebuild and get some 8.5 oem pistons.

[Jaggorri]

Sounds like you are making good progress Don. Keep us updated!