How does a B16A compair to a B18C1

[The_GS-R_Kid]

How do you guys think the Jap Spec B16A (the B16A that has 168hp) in a 94+ Integra LS with now mods would do against a 94+ Integra GS-R sporting the regular US B18C1 with no mods?

I'm asking this because the B16A is a 1.6L, doesn't have as much torque, but it revs higher than the B16C1. Since the B16A is only a 1.6L, would it be a lighter engine?

How do you guys think a B16A would do in a 94+ Teg?

[Nigron]

just buy the jdm b16a..because its jdm. that motor in an Integra would fly...

[court]

lol

.....
its like a 3rd gen xsi

first gen b16a's wont directly "bolt" into the dc chasis
alot of wiring neeeds to be done...
the biggest point that needs to be stressed is trans, anything worse than a s/y 21 is going to make your car a dog

[SVPthoughtUknew]

Buy the motor because its jdm? That is the dumbest thing i have heard. I think i would get a USDM b18c anyday before a jdm motor just because u can smog it. The b16a is the ***** of japanese import motors. It is high reving, but torqueless. The b18c is a 1.8L (actuall its like a 1.7), Usdm, and makes more power. The most power i have seen a street car with a b16a make (All Motor) is like 185 to the wheels. I have friends with b18c motors pushing well over 200 to the tire. If you don't have the $$$ for the gsr motor....i would save up. All the money you will waste on the b16a to make power like a b18c will be the price difference. Also, you can drop a 88-91 b16a motor directly into a dc chassis. The only difference is in the tranny. ITs cable...there is a conversion kit out there....but cable trannys blow goats. Look at the new Si coupes.....they have b16a's and feel like a 95 civic Ex....GUTLESS!


Just my opinion...not aflame

[The_GS-R_Kid]

I'm not doing a swap myself. I'm getting a new car, I found a 94 Integra with a B16A in it. It's got all the bolt ons (header, Cold Air Intake, Pulleys, Exhaust, AEM Cam gears, Skunk 2 Intake manifold,), a stage 3 clutch, short shifter, and a couple other things too. I don't know what kind of tranny it is. I'll be sure to find out though.

I was asking the questions because I knew the torque was lower than the GS-R motor, but I thought only by like
12 ft./lbs.? I don't know if that's right and if anybody does know what the exact torque is let me know. Anyway, I didn't know if 12 ft./lbs. was that big a deal?

[SVPthoughtUknew]

Yes it makes a big difference

[SiN-6]

i was WONDERED why no one mention about a B18CR!
i am looking for a very low mileage one for my friend in Vancouver Canada.(from Hong Kong)

[The_GS-R_Kid]

nobody mentioned it because my question was about the b16A in an Integra.

[SiN-6]

I mean from the first day i am reading this board, nobody seems ever suggest doing a B18CR swap

[court]

what is a b18cR
wait, let me guess, is it kind like one of thoose LSR's?

[SiN-6]

1.8 Integra J-Spec Type-R
200ps/8000 rpm
19kg/m/6200 rpm
STOCK!

[The_GS-R_Kid]

Is there anyway to tell how much HP is going to the wheels by knowing the 1/4 mile time of a car? That Integra with the B16A that I described above ran a 14.7 Any way to tell how much HP it has by that?

[JohnJohn152]

Originally posted by SiN-6
I mean from the first day i am reading this board, nobody seems ever suggest doing a B18CR swap

I think it's partly because of the cost difference between a B16A and a B18CR is a lot. I haven't seen an JDM ITR motor sell for less than a few grand while the B16A is plentiful and much cheaper at around $1000 to $1600. I don't deal with Hondas, so the prices I have here may be a bit off.

[SE-Rage]

Originally posted by The_GS-R_Kid
Is there anyway to tell how much HP is going to the wheels by knowing the 1/4 mile time of a car? That Integra with the B16A that I described above ran a 14.7 Any way to tell how much HP it has by that?

There are various calculators on the internet, go search for horsepower calculators. I think the variables needed are weight and quarter mile time. Weight is a huge thing when drag racing.

[Al]

I thought the B18CR you guys are referring to is actually a B18C5? Hmm... then again I am a loly Toyota man with his 3sgte. Also, how about taking the bottom end out of the B16A and placing a B20 bottom end on. Stroke it baby!!!! Also Are we talkin the USDM B16A2 or the JDM B16A1? But anyways listen to the SVP guy they know what they are talking about. :)

[SiN-6]

Not exactly.. a B18CR is a little bit different than a B18C5
for detail.. i post later.. a bit in hurry to go out

[Nigron]

Hell yea Al ive heard shit about just the stock b20b and b20z in a 5th generation civic...And wholly shit! TORQUE MONSTER!!! I couldnt imagine that with THe VTEC head...

[SiN-6]

Alright, for what i know about B18C(whatever the number after the C), its different. the C5, is the American Version from an ITR(which need to pass the OBD-2 shit), when.. the CR, is the J Spec ITR block, when its setting is different then the others, i.e the emission.. when Japan is still running OBD-I. u can know there is a lot of things can b done with the setting.

[Red Egg]

Its not a good idea to put a b16a into anything other than a crx and a hatchback. With 116-ftlbs of torque and 85 before vtec it doesnt do so well in a car that weights 2600lbs (99-2k Si) and would do just as shitty in an Integra. Of course you can always make a b16a fast in a coupe,karim el-shariff 10 sec b16a in a coupe but thats with a lot of money and forced induction. Also with the b16a you are talking about is the SiR II (168-170 hp) that comes with the EK4 and also uses the hydro transmission, so no tranny problems for you. But that cost a pretty penny more than the first generation jap b16a. You are better off going with the GSR..If you want to save money and get something cheaper than a GSR motor go LS VTEC or even CRV VTEC if you can find a cheap b20b or b20z block..Basically the GSR gives you more potential than a b16a does..low 9 sec GSR's vs Mid 10 sec B16A

[The_GS-R_Kid]

So do you guys think that I'm stupid if I buy a 1994 Integra with a JDM B16A, even if it already has; AEM CAI, DC header, Apex dunk cat back exhaust, AEM cam gears, Skunk2 intake manifold, stage 3 clutch, lightened flywheel, Fields V-AFC, plugs & wires, Chrome Valve cover and full engine dress up kit, body kit, custom paint, wing, Z3 fenders, altezza tail lights, clear corners, and brand new 17's with brand new tires????

Will it really be that damn slow??? He said it ran a 14.7 1/4 mile.

I'm suppose to go get it this weekend so the more advice the better.

Thanks guys

(I know I should just build my own car, but I don't have the time or money to do it the way I want right now)

[Red Egg]

14.7 isn't really something to brag about with what he has. If you can drive you should be not too far off of that 14.7 with a near stock GSR swap..Please get rid of those APC lights and if you do give them to me, I need a new set to bash with my baseball bat. Sounds like his car is pretty fobbed (riced) out. How much is he asking for it?

[iluva juicytwat]

hah dont buy that car. with the mods he has and its only runnin 14.7 thats pathetic and beside u know he dogged the shit out of that engine. it owuld be more satisfying if u bout a car with a engine in good condition and throw mods on yerself. and wen u said altezza lights, thats one more reason not to buy it those lights are fuckin played and ugly and everyone and there mom has em. if u buy an integra get one with the b18 not no civic engine. might as well go waste yer money on a civic. =) hell, go get a stock integ and u can prolly beat that other one ( not tryin to offend u civic peopple)

[CelicaRacer]

Wait a second, I've never heard of a stock GS-R running a 14.7, ever. 175hp does not equal a 14.7 quarter mile time. I mean the 2000 Type R with 195 hp does a 14.8, how do you guys assume a 14.7 for the GS-R?

You know I'm kinda wondering what engine to put into an Integra too, cus theres a 95 SE near my house for only $5500 that has 166k miles on it. I'm about to scoop it up, and do an engine swap, but I'm leanin towards a H22 insted.

[iluva juicytwat]

were talkin about that integ with the b16 with all the mods not a gsr. hes debating whether or not to get the b16 or get a b18c1 integ. which has more potential than the b16. anyone know of some good cams shafts and cam gears to get for my b18c1 and underdrive pulleys? i was lookin at unorthodox udp and cams i dont know much bout . if anyone know tell me. im side bustin on this thread with persnal questions. sory peace

[NA95IntegraLSR]

Originally posted by CelicaRacer
Wait a second, I've never heard of a stock GS-R running a 14.7, ever. 175hp does not equal a 14.7 quarter mile time. I mean the 2000 Type R with 195 hp does a 14.8, how do you guys assume a 14.7 for the GS-R?

You know I'm kinda wondering what engine to put into an Integra too, cus theres a 95 SE near my house for only $5500 that has 166k miles on it. I'm about to scoop it up, and do an engine swap, but I'm leanin towards a H22 insted.


Get that SE. H22 is too heavy. Just do an LS/VTEC and have it fully built, Bore it out to 2.0, get a S&W Stroker kit, slap on ITR internals, and a good clutch and motor mount and a good ecu. It should cost around $3,000 to $4,000. Youll be satisfied with the performance. I just race my co workers 2000 GT and I took him out 2 out of 3

[The_GS-R_Kid]

do you guys just not like the B16A because it has 12ft/lbs. less torque than the B18C1??

So what if I stroked the B16A to a 1.8 or is that possible? Would that solve the torque problem?

will the head of the B16A fit a B20 Block?? Or even a LS block? or do you have to have a B18 head to build a hybrid??

By the way, the car isn't "riced out" it's pretty tight. It's won at shows. I know you guys would rather have a faster car over a better looking car, but I'm trying to hit a happy middle. The car hasn't been run to hell either. He said he cleans it more than he drives it. The motor only has 30k+ miles on it.

Also I forgot to mention that it has AEM underdrive pullys and it has a full black and white interior + bunch of gauges.

he's only asking 15,500

[iluva juicytwat]

sounds like u want it dawg. might as well buy it u should bring the price down tho. i bought a 94 gsr for 11000 and the dude gave me some neuspeed springs and some 17's and a dope system but the system and shit got stolen =/ .it had low miles too . i could put all those mods u got on that b16 and it would still be cheaper than wat you are gonna pay and it be faster.u can find something cheaper andlooks reallyy nice too if u look. it might have stock engine but chances are it hasnt been run hard for times and shit. jus given my oipinion take it if u want it

[NA95IntegraLSR]

Originally posted by The_GS-R_Kid
do you guys just not like the B16A because it has 12ft/lbs. less torque than the B18C1??

So what if I stroked the B16A to a 1.8 or is that possible? Would that solve the torque problem?

will the head of the B16A fit a B20 Block?? Or even a LS block? or do you have to have a B18 head to build a hybrid??

By the way, the car isn't "riced out" it's pretty tight. It's won at shows. I know you guys would rather have a faster car over a better looking car, but I'm trying to hit a happy middle. The car hasn't been run to hell either. He said he cleans it more than he drives it. The motor only has 30k+ miles on it.

Also I forgot to mention that it has AEM underdrive pullys and it has a full black and white interior + bunch of gauges.

he's only asking 15,500




Either the B16 head or B18 head will fit on any B series block. I say buy a stock car and built it yourself.. Its fun when you built it yourself and youll have pride

[bloobin]

Get the car, dont fuck with the internals (unless u have hella $, which it does'nt seem).

Use your extra 2000$ and get a turbo kit off someone..

And instanly, (only boosting 7lbs) you should be smokin most hondas with swaps and bolt ons.
If you treat your car well, and dont' always dog it, it should be okay.. then later when shit starts falling apart.. build it up to be a turbo motor.

this way you dont have to worry about messing with wiring and obd shit cause you ain't gonna pass smog anyways.

About the naming of the motors. I dont think that canadian guy knows much.

the us type r motors were designated B18C5
The japan motors never had a number after the "C", their typeR spec motors were just labeled B18C,

HOWEVER, I heard that replacement blocks from the dealer, IN JAPAN, were labeled as b18cr

Thats my 2 cents.