And you thought YOU were EURO... [Archive]

ONEsickVDUB

08-31-2002, 09:19 AM

Being that the average person on this site is a Chevy, Ford, Honda, Acura, or Toyota driver, I thought I would attempt to enlighten some of you on the new "EURO" trend that, although ending in Europe, has just begun to hit the States.
It's mainly a VW/Audi thing, but I'm beginning to see more and more Hondas and Acuras take shape with the Euro Trends.
For those of you that don't know, the typical Euro trends feature pulled fenders, shaved or Audi door handles, shaved moldings, bumpers, trunks, hoods, etc. The goal is to keep the car as clean and stock as possible, and make modifications that only the trained eye would pick up on. This also includes polished everything, from the manifold, down to the tranny and hood latch. And mind you... These cars are all DAILY DRIVERS.
The other trend is overyly wide wheels that seem to *poke* out of the fender. Sometimes all around, but typically just wide in the rear.
One other mod, is called a Boser Blick, loosly translated means "Bad boy". What this is, is a hood extension that is welded and formed to the hood, which smooths down to cover parts of the grill and headlights. The "Bad boy" hood gives the car a "bad", or "mean" look.
Lastly, you MUST go as LOW AS IS HUMANLY POSSIBLE.
Here are some shots of cars in Europe, and the last picture is a picture of my car, cuz' people say that it is Euro, although I disagree.

http://tuning.pl/galeria/001189/normal/603.jpg

http://tuning.pl/galeria/001189/normal/608.jpg

http://tuning.pl/galeria/001189/normal/604.jpg

http://tuning.pl/galeria/001189/normal/615.jpg

http://tuning.pl/galeria/001189/normal/650.jpg

http://tuning.pl/galeria/001189/normal/656.jpg

http://tuning.pl/galeria/001189/normal/597.jpg

http://a1.cpimg.com/image/CF/38/12167631-bdf9-028001E0-.jpg

Angel5

08-31-2002, 09:25 AM

Awwww, that's so cute. The little cars are trying to look angry. That's adorable.

Originally posted by ONEsickVDUB
The goal is to keep the car as... stock as possible, and make modifications that only the trained eye would pick up on.
Sounds kind of um, shitty? Guess you'll never buy aftermarket heads or intake then.

ONEsickVDUB

08-31-2002, 09:33 AM

Sounds kind of um, shitty? Guess you'll never buy aftermarket heads or intake then.

Well, this is not to say that there aren't cars in Europe that put down some mad power. The first street legal 12-sec. 1.8T Golf was from Britian I believe. A guy by the name of Gary Handa owns it. Ran a 12.9 well over 2 years ago, which was absolutely revolutionary.

But, the Euro trends are acquired tastes. Anyone can bolt up a Turbo, but custom body work takes on the life of the owner.

Furthermore, if you were paying $5/gallon for gas, you'd probably keep the engine mods. on limitation as well. Gas is expensive over there, hence the turn to bodymods, as opposed to engine mods... but a lot of these guys can easily fork out $30k for bodymods alone.

jesse

08-31-2002, 10:59 AM

look like crap in my opinion :helo:

Angel5

08-31-2002, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by ONEsickVDUB
Ran a 12.9 well over 2 years ago, which was absolutely revolutionary.
A high 12 is revolutionary?

Furthermore, if you were paying $5/gallon for gas, you'd probably keep the engine mods. on limitation as well.
If gas mileage was any concern to me whatsoever, I wouldn't be racing.

Black Komet

08-31-2002, 11:24 AM

i like the chameleon VW the most. theyre all pretty sick :D

oricix

08-31-2002, 11:33 AM

Why yes...a high 12 was very revolutionary at the time he ran it....2 years ago did you see many 1.8T Golfs running high 12's? becuase to this day I still dont see all that many...read before u speak....ONEsickVDUB said it clearly

Cdawg

ONEsickVDUB

08-31-2002, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Angel5

A high 12 is revolutionary?

Actually, yes, it is.

Just curious if you follow VW's at all?

What you may not know, is why high 12's were revolutionary 2 years ago.
This is because the 1.8T engine had only been out on the market for 2 years. And no one had come up with any internals (pistons, rods, etc.) for this engine yet. This guy designed everything himself, plus dropping in a 225 Audi TT engine in it.

Furthermore, this is a VW engine, and it's street legal.
I don't know many street legal Civics, or even Domestics that can do 12's in the 1/4 mile, (outside of older hot-rods, which are typically not street legal anywaz) and Honda tuning alone is 10x as popular as VW tuning.

For those of you that don't like it, that's fine. Like I said... it's an aquired taste. I used to hate it, but I got sick and tired of seeing the same bodykitted, 19" wheeled cars, with tv's in the headrests.

For those of you that simply see the following car as a Lowered GTi with Wheels, and paint... here's what I see:

Custom paint, WRD wheels ($4k w/out tires), lowered, boser, smoothed bumpers and doors, Audi A6 door handles, Hagus M3 Style mirrors, pulled fenders (notice no fender "lip"), and a molded badgeless grill.
To put it in perspective, the average boser alone, without paint, costs over a grand.

http://tuning.pl/galeria/001189/normal/604.jpg

Fast2Seater

08-31-2002, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by ONEsickVDUB

Actually, yes, it is.

Just curious if you follow VW's at all?

What you may not know, is why high 12's were revolutionary 2 years ago.
This is because the 1.8T engine had only been out on the market for 2 years. And no one had come up with any internals (pistons, rods, etc.) for this engine yet. This guy designed everything himself, plus dropping in a 225 Audi TT engine in it.

There are many places that will make custom rods and pistons, for not too much money either.

Furthermore, this is a VW engine, and it's street legal.
I don't know many street legal Civics, or even Domestics that can do 12's in the 1/4 mile, (outside of older hot-rods, which are typically not street legal anywaz) and Honda tuning alone is 10x as popular as VW tuning.

You need to get out more.

For those of you that don't like it, that's fine. Like I said... it's an aquired taste. I used to hate it, but I got sick and tired of seeing the same bodykitted, 19" wheeled cars, with tv's in the headrests.

For those of you that simply see the following car as a Lowered GTi with Wheels, and paint... here's what I see:

Custom paint, WRD wheels ($4k w/out tires), lowered, boser, smoothed bumpers and doors, Audi A6 door handles, Hagus M3 Style mirrors, pulled fenders (notice no fender "lip"), and a molded badgeless grill.
To put it in perspective, the average boser alone, without paint, costs over a grand.

Some of those cars look ok, but if you are spending 30K on bodykits and stuff, than you have more than enough money to pay for gas on a 12 sec VW. Even in Europe. All you proved by listing those prices is that people like to spend way too much money on stuff that'll just slow them down all in the name of "being different". "Mommy I want to be different, just like those guys over there!"
:rolleyes:

Tragedy

08-31-2002, 11:57 AM

My eyes are untrained when it comes to VW show trends, but those cars look like they're mimicking the U.S. lowrider trends of the 90's with a slight twist. Those cars are too small to do that deep-dish-wheels-in-the-back thing. It looks nice on a Benz S500 or a BMW 5-series, not a little GTI, Golf or Jetta...but that's just my opinion....

ShadyMilkman

08-31-2002, 12:33 PM

You can make anything go fast, regardless of how it looks...

IMO These are just ugly. Ok, I know all the arguments of exterior mods but the way i see it, if you're spending thousands of dollars making your car look unique, at the end of the day, you're still sitting there driving an old Jetta or GTI when you could have taken that little extra cash and bought yourself a new 3 Series, an IS300, or hell, even a newer jetta...

I'll stick to saving my money for making a car that goes faster.

Jay

08-31-2002, 10:01 PM

Yup thats the trend over here...heres some opel photos...
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/duster_360/lst?.dir=/opel+show&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/

MLE q(^_^)p

09-01-2002, 02:56 AM

:eek: :confused: :eek: What happened to the cars? They look better untouched!!! (personal opinion)

Jay

09-01-2002, 03:44 AM

Oh BTW I do dig the dep dish look..or at least having the wheel even with the finders..I know most of the US show/race cars dont do this..I think it makes it look a ton better

Scott

09-01-2002, 05:25 AM

Originally posted by ONEsickVDUB
The goal is to keep the car as clean and stock as possible

none of the cars you showed looked stock....or even close. my car's exterior IS stock, does that make it have a "euro look"?.

Originally posted by ONEsickVDUB
I don't know many street legal Civics, or even Domestics that can do 12's in the 1/4 mile

some domestics can run 12s stock. and i've seen many 12 second imports driven on the street and A TON of domestics running 12s or lower.

anyway, you say these guys dont wanna spend 5 bucks a gallon on gas, but are willing to spend 30,000 on a body kit? sounds like rice to me...

Rich

09-01-2002, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by Jay
Yup thats the trend over here...heres some opel photos...
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/duster_360/lst?.dir=/opel+show&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/

don't forget the pic of my opel ;)
http://www.angelfire.com/wa2/aquickrt/crap/vectra.jpg

S-Type1

09-01-2002, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by ONEsickVDUB

What you may not know, is why high 12's were revolutionary 2 years ago.
This is because the 1.8T engine had only been out on the market for 2 years. And no one had come up with any internals (pistons, rods, etc.) for this engine yet. This guy designed everything himself, plus dropping in a 225 Audi TT engine in it.

Furthermore, this is a VW engine, and it's street legal.
I don't know many street legal Civics, or even Domestics that can do 12's in the 1/4 mile, (outside of older hot-rods, which are typically not street legal anywaz)

Once you touch the internals in a car, replace rods,pistons, etc... isnt it technically illegal?

and Honda tuning alone is 10x as popular as VW tuning.

Its a double-sided blade. when it's popular, everything is cheaper and readily available. Yet, if you add soo much as a pinstipe to a honda, the rice police will flame you for the rest of your days.

For those of you that don't like it, that's fine. Like I said... it's an aquired taste. I used to hate it, but I got sick and tired of seeing the same bodykitted, 19" wheeled cars, with tv's in the headrests.
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I dont hate "rice". Show cars are neat and they've been around for a long time. I just dont like show cars that think they should race, ya know? some stuff out there is just soo ugly, but that doesnt mean we should all critisize other cars because the owner wants to have something to show off, even if that means 6 video displays in an Accord.

just my 2 cents

Angel5

09-01-2002, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by ONEsickVDUB
Just curious if you follow VW's at all?

As much as I like watching little gay cars try and scrub off 12 second times and cheering each other for doing it, I'd rather not.

Furthermore, this is a VW engine, and it's street legal.
I don't know many street legal Civics, or even Domestics that can do 12's in the 1/4 mile
I know a couple guys with street legal cars that run single digits. Hell, my car can run 11s and it's street legal with a full interior. Sorry to hear you're so deprived of seeing real cars.

gsxtreme

09-01-2002, 10:35 AM

http://darkenedfalls.wicca.nu/project_alfie/alfie4.jpg

Some people might frown upon this project of yours angel but has anyone said anything? No, they probebly have better things to do then sit here and make fun of people projects. To each their own right?

gsxtreme

09-01-2002, 10:37 AM

http://tuning.pl/galeria/001189/normal/603.jpg

This is clean. I like this trend a whole lot better then cheap z3 fenders and mr2 sidevetns with supra tail lights and spoilers that can get the car off the ground...

Angel5

09-01-2002, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by xleRateGSX
Some people might frown upon this project of yours angel but has anyone said anything?

Tons of shit actually. From "that's cool" to "what the fuck are you doing ruining a Alfa Romeo and a 5.0, are you mental?"

Hey I don't care if people want to spend all that money on custom work with some car. It's there car, they can do as they wish.

But saying things like a high 12 is revolutionary? Or that domestics on the streets barely run 12s, come on now.
I knew Beetles when I was growing up that ran 11s on the streets, they're VW are they not?

Mr. Bater

09-01-2002, 11:01 AM

Who gives a shit about looks? I mean come on, unless you are driveing in a fucking warehouse with mirrors on every wall you cant see the outside of your car anyway. The only reason to say "oh i spent $45,000 on a $15,000 car. I have shaved handdles and rolled fenders, blah blah blah..." is to try and impress people, to make them think you are cool.

Ive said it before, looks can be debated, but you cant argue with speed.

And this Euro Shit aint new, all it is is the european version of lowriders except they throw in a little rice for good measure.

SkylineKid102

09-01-2002, 12:31 PM

uhhh... these are show cars. some of look alrite actually but you got to understand 12s ain't revolutionary. Theres car stock that run that. some of these cars are pretty gross looking too. So I don't know where you got all your information from but your wrong. Your spending a lot of money too just to get a VW run 12 and look cute. Hell it ain't my money but I'll be damned if I ever waste my money like that.

gsxtreme

09-01-2002, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Angel5

As much as I like watching little gay cars try and scrub off 12 second times and cheering each other for doing it, I'd rather not.

I know a couple guys with street legal cars that run single digits. Hell, my car can run 11s and it's street legal with a full interior. Sorry to hear you're so deprived of seeing real cars.

Going from a 15 second car to 12s in a two year time span that the car is out is like making a domestic run 10s within that same timeframe.

It's not revolutionary but the time has to be appreciated. You are comparing apples to oranges and no way is a 9 second domestic street legal. For example an intake (without carb numbers) on a car makes it illegal.

Angel5

09-01-2002, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by xleRateGSX
and no way is a 9 second domestic street legal. For example an intake (without carb numbers) on a car makes it illegal.

Not everywhere needs smog testing. Even in northern Ontario, I mean *northern* you don't need it. And hell, they pay you to fucking live up there. And if you live in a place that doesn't need smog testing, you can do a helluva lot more to your car without worrying. I think Detroit and Florida don't need it either and I'm sure there's tons more places.

Originally posted by xleRateGSX
Going from a 15 second car to 12s in a two year time span that the car is out is like making a domestic run 10s within that same timeframe.
It's not revolutionary but the time has to be appreciated.

I don't think it has to be really appreciated. I know the 12-second mark is *the* mark for imports, but what's the big deal. You can always port and polish heads & intake, you can always have custom exhaust, pistons, rods and cams made. You can always shove a fuel system off some other more powerful car on there and get a custom chip burned. You can always strip a car, whether it's good to do or not. And you can always get slicks, nitrous and a turbo. And hell, the VW 1.8 is turbo from the factory isn't it? Well crank the damn boost.

So you're telling me it took someone 3 years to do all that just to take 3 seconds off their time? Or did it take that long for pre-made kits to come out so everyone could sit back and save for the stickers to go with it?

gsxtreme

09-01-2002, 02:47 PM

I failed to notice you live in Canada. Here in the US, specifically CA they have strict laws to directly deal with the smog/unhealthy air situation.

Mr. Bater

09-01-2002, 05:22 PM

They dont have emissions in VA either. And I know of a couple of 9 second street legal and driven cars not to mention all of the low 10 second cars around here.

California is not the thing to judge the US by, by any means. Yall are so screwed over there.

Fenrir

09-01-2002, 05:24 PM

Hehe....ou guys always crack on Florida. What you neglect is we have NO smog testing too. They just assume we are carb legal :D

The cars look clean. If someone wants to spend upwards of $15k+ to look cool then that is fine. But I would rather spend $15k on a 11 second street driven DSM AND a track competitive KA24DE powered 240SX than 15k for a shaved clean, stock look. But then again I like going fast :haha:

gsxtreme

09-01-2002, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by White_SSP
California is not the thing to judge the US by, by any means. Yall are so screwed over there.

Yeah but I havent lived anywhere other then CA (since I was legally able to drive) so all I know is their laws.

Mr. Bater

09-01-2002, 05:48 PM

Makes sense. Hell I wouldn't have any clue about cali's laws if it wasn't for SRO. See, it is educational.:D

gsxtreme

09-01-2002, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by White_SSP
Makes sense. Hell I wouldn't have any clue about cali's laws if it wasn't for SRO. See, it is educational.:D

I was wondering why I was here everyday but now I know... an education... lol

Dex

09-01-2002, 06:11 PM

Euro is just catching on? Maybe yer just find'n out about it bud...
and those styles are already outdated... But I'm happy for you that you found old trends that you like.:rolleyes:

Rich

09-01-2002, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by xleRateGSX

Going from a 15 second car to 12s in a two year time span that the car is out is like making a domestic run 10s within that same timeframe.

It's not revolutionary but the time has to be appreciated. You are comparing apples to oranges and no way is a 9 second domestic street legal. For example an intake (without carb numbers) on a car makes it illegal.

Okay, how about building a car, for under $3k. That passes the Puget Sound (wa, near seattle) tail pipe emissions testing (same as Ca) which started as a 74hp BEAST, and ended up running 11's and still cornering well enought to compete in SCCA GT4 comp. All with a 4cyl ;) I am NOT impressed with a 12 sec car in 2 years. Frankly I find all that body work, pretty, but useless. Speed over looks in my book, and many others in the "racing" scene.
Dex
Just because you are the Euro guy for the past few years... shit shut up man ;) You remember back in the late 80's when euro was the thing to have? Everyone and their brother wanted a E30 BMW, Sirrocco, or a Golf. Damn do I miss the days pre-riceboy!!

gsxtreme

09-01-2002, 08:28 PM

They were not building on a car in which had a aftermarket lineup for over 29 years they were working with a car that was only out 2 years not that it took them 2 years to build it.

That's great that you were able to buy everything for your car when you wanted to. There is such a thing called research and design or R&D...

Jay

09-02-2002, 12:12 AM

Yes that is true that its a trend in JDM land...but its not as big as it is here in Germany..anyway on my Peugeot..Im running larger wheel spacers on the front compaired to the back...makes the car have a nice loose feeling when cornering...alows me to rotate the back end of the car easy..which it rater hard on 99% of early 90s FF cars

SkylineKid102

09-02-2002, 04:08 AM

The only thing that can even most possibly make this revolutionary would be the little amount of money you put to get it a couple seconds faster in two years but you didn't do that. So basically this is some revolutinary bullshit. By the way, there are no emissions in Florida so who cares if you got lets some illegal exhaust, no one will care (unless its too noticebly too loud).

robertl

09-02-2002, 11:33 AM

I guess these pictures are made at Wörthersee tour.

And there are other cars, not only Volkswagens. Audi, BMW, Opel and so on. Mostly European makes. And I doubt that the green GolfIII is being driven daily... They are usually second or third cars. Dailydrivers have decent lowering springs (usually not more than 60/40mm) and

I find nothing wrong with those cars, they´re done with style and high quality parts. If Europeans would try to imitate Civic´s and Integra´s something like http://www.dc-ice.ee/pics/klg.jpg would be made... ... no commentRiced out Audi (http://www.dc-ice.ee/pics/tagant.jpg)

FiestaR

09-02-2002, 01:53 PM

hevent those silly euro people heard of hydraulics or airbags:rolleyes:

i live in the uk and let me tell you those cars in the first post are some of the best euro cars ive seen (still dont mean i like em) because 99.9% of euro cars end up going horribly wrong and coming out like that audi. hell i might go a bit euro. it would save me money (no kit) and i could smooth a couple lines in the bumpers, slap some 14s on (my cars on steel 13s now :haha: ) and call it "euro". i hate most of those cars pulled arches and how the wheels stick out like a foot. reminds me of when i lived in florida and saw chevy cavaliers and saturns on wire rims that stuck out about a foot. id say the best of those pics is the blue vw lupo with the single wiper.

91LudeSi

09-07-2002, 10:48 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Angel5
[B]Awwww, that's so cute. The little cars are trying to look angry. That's adorable.

:haha: :haha:

Draven

09-07-2002, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by ONEsickVDUB
... but a lot of these guys can easily fork out $30k for bodymods alone.

$30,000+the price of the car = + or - $50,000.

Why would you want to spend that on a non VR6 Jetta or Golf ( two of the slowest cars made in Europe). When you can spend the same amount money and buy two used M3's?

Dystopia

09-08-2002, 09:52 AM

When i see a jetta around town i think one of two things about the driver hot girl or Frat boy.

Scott

09-08-2002, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Draven
$30,000+the price of the car = + or - $50,000.

Why would you want to spend that on a non VR6 Jetta or Golf ( two of the slowest cars made in Europe). When you can spend the same amount money and buy two used M3's?

i'm glad they used the slowest cars possible. would you want an m3 to look like the cars you've seen on this thread?

turbo2.3

09-08-2002, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Angel5
Not everywhere needs smog testing. Even in northern Ontario, I mean *northern* you don't need it. And hell, they pay you to fucking live up there. And if you live in a place that doesn't need smog testing, you can do a helluva lot more to your car without worrying. I think Detroit and Florida don't need it either and I'm sure there's tons more places.

yup we don't have smog testing in florida. I had a buddy that had a 69 charger R/T bulit up that was running high 9s.

Ike

09-08-2002, 11:50 AM

Im sorry but I just don't see anything special about those micro machines :P

Draven

09-08-2002, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Scott
i'm glad they used the slowest cars possible. would you want an m3 to look like the cars you've seen on this thread?
Good point.:D Looking at that fucked up Audi is bad enough.:(

Dex

09-17-2002, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Rich

Dex
Just because you are the Euro guy for the past few years... shit shut up man ;) You remember back in the late 80's when euro was the thing to have? Everyone and their brother wanted a E30 BMW, Sirrocco, or a Golf. Damn do I miss the days pre-riceboy!! [/B]

...*Sigh*... Yes the come'n of the rice.... I long to dwell in the depths of a DTM vilage located on the outskirts of Munich. Maybe there I will find 16 year olds mis-mod'n old Audis and 2002s 'stead of Civics:bam: and Neons. It sure would be alot easier on my eyes :D