SVP Integ vs. Saleen

[yodabill]

Last night at Junction was off the hook. So many heads it was incredible. The race that definetely took the night was the SVP Integ and a Mustang Saleen. The Saleen won the first one by half a car but then the Integ battled back and smoked the Saleen by a car length. Damn that Integ was loud! I'll tell you that SVP Integ is quite the machine. Way to go SVP.

[lsturbo]

i heard that saleen is supercharged...........

[yodabill]

it could of been. it had a 281 sticker on the back.

[NaMeLeSsEcLiPSe]

Nah it wasn't supercharged. From what I heard it was stock. Just the normal saleen mods. The Saleen did win the second one though. They were both nice runs. I still love that Yellow ITR. That thing is so loud.

[lowandslow]

Damn. U gotta give it up to SVP. I'm always hearing of people saying that SVP cheats and this and that..., but seems like they're the only ones that run against the muscle cars. Nice shit svp.

-Rod

[B18A1 SETUP 4 NOS]

D N R ONCE AGAIN... GOOD SHIT DAVE

[PhatBoyzPreZ]

i mean 12.5 are fast but come on people! a STOCK LS-1 SS will run 12.7's on NOS... so why don't we race some real fast cars like the old school nova's and camaros that are out there.. i remeber 1 nova in praticular that smoked EVERYONE out at the runs for a couple months.i wont say his name but you all know who he is! but i give MAD props to SVP cause the do race with the fast cars and they aren't afraid to race anyone!!!!

[RS/377]

dude, if you can only get 12.7 out of a LS-1 on NOS you have serious problems. And lets remember tha the LS-1 powered F bodies are the fastest production F-body ever made. Without checking exact numbers, I would even say its one of the fastest stock times period

BTW- what are your numbers?

[SVP TuRb0]

Sup peepz,

just to get some things straight the Saleen is supercharged boosting @ 8psi. He also happens to be a neighbor. :) But anyhow to the point, the ITR took the first round and the Saleen took the second round. Much props to the saleen and ITR though, they're both some quick streetables. peace

[Mike]

Originally posted by PhatBoyzPreZ
[B! a STOCK LS-1 SS will run 12.7's on NOS... !!!! [/B]

Um...last time I checked...LS1's are capable of hitting that time WITHOUT NOS,BONE STOCK! I have seen,with my own eyes,STOCK (meaning,no KnN,no exhaust,no gears,factory tires,etc.) hit a 12.8 at the track. Who needs NOS to run a 12?!

[EvolKill]

How Fast is a 98 Camaro Z28 with an LS1 Engine(Auto) Stock????????????????

[NemesisKwky]

Damn I saw them setting up at Ringwood and everyone trying to get the crowd back and finally when the flagger was ready to go a roller came in! Fuck! I was pissed and after that I just went home I was hella tired but damn I wanted to see that race!

[importtuner75]

thumbvs up guyz...I heard bout the saleen vs the itr. Question though. I herad throught the grape vine that the socalled 281 was really a 351 Saleen. Is that true. One of my friends asked the driver. I think...anyways late

[D-BoZ28]

Originally posted by Import99Civic
How Fast is a 98 Camaro Z28 with an LS1 Engine(Auto) Stock????????????????

I know someone who ran 13.2 at 108 with his 98Z A4

[SVPchic]

yeah that happen's to be our neighbor,& my little brother's classmates dad.it's kinda funny how his son ain't out with him.
awhile back we raced him at santa clara and spanked him a couple times but now he added the supercharged and that shit is pretty quick. he's putting out 391 to the wheels, and our type-r is putting out 210 to the wheels.
good job neighbor!

[NaMeLeSsEcLiPSe]

Shiet the Saleen was supercharged. Damn now I give SVP even more props cause they are always running fast cars. Whats next for them. Hmmmm we can only imagine. How bout that green turbo Supra. I heard he's been beatin' alot of cars. Maybe SVP can quite him up a bit. Oh yeah how bout the two Civic turboed hatches at Junction. They were even the whole way down. I know one of those were SVP's too. How fast do the ITR and the Turboed Civic Hatch run the quarter mile. Just curious.

[SVPchic]

well the best time the type-r ran is a 12.5 @ 111, & the blk hatch which is a 1.6 SOHC ran a 12.7 and i'm not sure the mph. i can find out if you want. at the next event they are all planning to hit better times, and a couple of cars that hasn't been seen are gonna be commin out, so keep on the look out!

[1SLOW50]

Originally posted by SVPchic
yeah that happen's to be our neighbor,& my little brother's classmates dad.it's kinda funny how his son ain't out with him.
awhile back we raced him at santa clara and spanked him a couple times but now he added the supercharged and that shit is pretty quick. he's putting out 391 to the wheels, and our type-r is putting out 210 to the wheels.
good job neighbor!

I'm calling bullshit on that saleen putting out 391 at the wheels with just a 281 with 8lbs of boost. Not gonna happen. Maybe 391 at the crank, but my buddies saleen is around that number with a ton more of boost then 8lbs. Was the type-r on slicks and the saleen on street tires or what? How the heck can that type-r run with that saleen unless the saleen couldn't hook up. Sounds like a good race though. Does this integ want some more competition?

[Jaggorri]

Originally posted by importtuner75
thumbvs up guyz...I heard bout the saleen vs the itr. Question though. I herad throught the grape vine that the socalled 281 was really a 351 Saleen. Is that true. One of my friends asked the driver. I think...anyways late

S351's have a few different body mods that denote their difference between them and thie little brother, the 281. Why would you take the badges and other items off of a S351 to make it look like a a S281? Kinda pointless don't you think?

[NaMeLeSsEcLiPSe]

SVPchic,

The ITR is only putting out 210hp???? I thought it was more then that. Hmmmmm... Isn't there also a turboed Integ that is with your crew. I saw some races near Great America like three weeks ago when the Black Civic Hatch raced a couple other civic hatches and the turboed Integra. I was just wondering if the Integra was part of your crew. It was fast and kept up with the civic all way to the end when it finally lost. I finally saw the Orange Prelude run there too. Is that all motor or nosed out? Cause it beat that turbo Eclipse with the upgraded greddy turbo easily. Just curious. Didn't the Yellow ITR run low 12's in Sac awhile back???? I remember someone telling me like 12.1 or something.

[LT WHAT?]

1SLOW50 is right, he's not putting down 391 at the wheels with just 8 psi.

if it was an S351 it woulda been bye bye type r bigtime.

did the type r ever run Cuda or Thevettekiller?

[importtuner75]

S351's have a few different body mods that denote their difference between them and thie little brother, the 281. Why would you take the badges and other items off of a S351 to make it look like a a S281? Kinda pointless don't you think? [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, yeah I think it was pointless. But, I have seen cars do that in the past. Trying to look like there lil bros, so they can get the jump on you. I've seen a gsx, take off his x and put the oz rims on to look like a gs. And a friend of mine took z-28 off his car and put rs. So I don't know. Plus I didn't see the saleen, and don't know the exterior differences....

[1SLOW50]

Originally posted by importtuner75

S351's have a few different body mods that denote their difference between them and thie little brother, the 281. Why would you take the badges and other items off of a S351 to make it look like a a S281? Kinda pointless don't you think?
Well, yeah I think it was pointless. But, I have seen cars do that in the past. Trying to look like there lil bros, so they can get the jump on you. I've seen a gsx, take off his x and put the oz rims on to look like a gs. And a friend of mine took z-28 off his car and put rs. So I don't know. Plus I didn't see the saleen, and don't know the exterior differences.... [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree with you on that. Really pointless downgrading your car like. Its not like the s281 is going to have the sleeper look anyways. If it was a s351 you would have known just by how fast it would be compared to the integ, but there are alot of dumbfucks out there,lol late

[SVPchic]

I'm just letting you guys know what he said. so i'm not sure if he's B.S'n about the 391 to the wheels or not . i don't know anything about saleens, so pls. don't argue with me. thanks! the type-r had street slicks but was still loosing traction. the saleen was on street tires.
Yeah, the other integra is part of us, it's my brother's car. it's baby blue. he's the president... his car is fully built w/turbo. He put out 293(not 100% sure, but for sure it was over 280) to the wheels, but he is waiting for his bigger injectors, and new wastegate before getting it re-dynoed.
The type-r hit a 12.5 last sac, which was his quickest time. his car has been dynoed many times @ skunk, and he is only puttin out 210 to the wheels.
Orange prelude is squeezin... he hit a 13.8 w/ full interior,17 inch NSX wheels, & the kit that's on his car.

[TK]

Originally posted by mike
Originally posted by PhatBoyzPreZ
[B! a STOCK LS-1 SS will run 12.7's on NOS... !!!!

Um...last time I checked...LS1's are capable of hitting that time WITHOUT NOS,BONE STOCK! I have seen,with my own eyes,STOCK (meaning,no KnN,no exhaust,no gears,factory tires,etc.) hit a 12.8 at the track. Who needs NOS to run a 12?! [/B]

According to Car and Driver, a 98 SLP SS LS1 runs 0-60 in 4.9 and 1/4 mile in 13.5 @ 107mph.
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/1998/October/199810_shorttake_chevrolet_camaroz28ss.xml

[RS/377]

I would down grade the trim level of my car. When it gets painted those damn AWD stickers are history

[Solo]

Originally posted by LT WHAT?
1SLOW50 is right, he's not putting down 391 at the wheels with just 8 psi.

if it was an S351 it woulda been bye bye type r bigtime.

did the type r ever run Cuda or Thevettekiller?

a supercharged S-281 and a S-351 run
almost exactly the same 1/4 mile time

and 391 sounds about right considering if i would
have put that vortec on my 00 V6 it would have 286rwhp
@ 10 psi. it's not an impossible number

and a S-351 puts out 495hp at the crank

s-351 495 @ crank
SC S-281 391 @ wheels

pretty close, and the 5.8 is much heavier so to prove my point they run almost the same 1/4 mile

[LT WHAT?]

i seriously doubt your V6 would have put down that much to the rear wheels with just a blower. you'd polly send the bottom end out of it first. the S351 runs MUCH faster 1/4 mile times. as for your argument about weight? for all the power it gains it does not gain anywhere near enough wieght to negate that. and that guy is not making 391 hp to the wheels on a 4.6 with just an 8psi blower.

ps: why did you get a V6? why not get a real mustang?

[fobbygizzer]

Hey svpchic
doesnt svp have an 11 sec daily driven teg (guy named nirmal, i think)...or is that the one ur talkin about, ur bros.

[1SLOW50]

Originally posted by LT WHAT?
i seriously doubt your V6 would have put down that much to the rear wheels with just a blower. you'd polly send the bottom end out of it first. the S351 runs MUCH faster 1/4 mile times. as for your argument about weight? for all the power it gains it does not gain anywhere near enough wieght to negate that. and that guy is not making 391 hp to the wheels on a 4.6 with just an 8psi blower.

ps: why did you get a V6? why not get a real mustang?
LOL, so I guess from what Solo put down, the s281 is just as quick as the s351, yeah ok I believe that one! well I got a question for you solo: does your v6 run with other v8's since its lighter you know? I think NOT! I mean the 351 is indeed heavier, but not by much. Come on the s351 will spank the living shit out of a s281. Hey what year was that saleen that the integ raced?

[Solo]

first of all 99up v6's are nothing to laugh at cuz i've smoked the shit out of countless 94-98s. unless modd'd no mustang 94-98 including cobra's even break into 13s. It's
been draggin on for a while now but I'm going to drop in a V8 for sure either the new 4.6 or the new 5.8 but I'm leaving for college so $$$ has been a problem. and why didn't i buy a "real" mustang? cuz insurance would be 500+ per month. After i resell the v6 and everything it'll roughtly cost $4000 to completely convert to a GT or more like $8k for a 5.8. Not to knock mustangs but seriously 94-98s are some of the weakest ever made. on average i lose to a 98 GT 5spd bye less than a car length and my car is near stock. autos forget it. auto + ford = slow.

now as for Saleen's, I said quote "a supercharged s-281 runs almost exactly the same as a S-351". and i was not lying nor talking out of my ass as u make it sound.

and these are saleen's claims:

'00 S-281 0-60 5.2 1/4 14.1 285hp 315ft tq
'00 SC S-281 0-60 4.8 1/4 13.4 365hp 400ft tq
'00 S-351 0-60 4.6 1/4 13.2 495hp 490ft tq

of course the S-351 has a much much higher trap speed but
like i said 1/4 miles are very close believe it or not.

and as for the 8psi 391rwhp i take that back i was thinking
291 rwhp, i agree that it wouldn't make that much

and a blown v6 running 10psi gets 261rwhp + dual exhaust
8.8rear end + headers + no cats = 293rwhp

add port polish heads uppers and lowers and a mean cam
and a v6 will easily run 12s
nothing but a blower ran a 13.8

dont think so?

http://www.v6power.com
http://www.supersixmotorsports.com

and i dont get those numbers from no where, those are actual numbers from actual cars on these web sites and the dyno's are all there.

[LT WHAT?]

now your post makes more sense. although, that may be what saleen claims, however the S351's are much faster than that.

[LETHAL GST]

Originally posted by Solo
first of all 99up v6's are nothing to laugh at cuz i've smoked the shit out of countless 94-98s. unless modd'd no mustang 94-98 including cobra's even break into 13s.


my friend hit 13.6 in a STOCK 98 cobra.

[UzualSuspectSI]

thats my dad...

haha i barely heard about it this morning at school.. haha i was like what ... but yea my dad is not boostin 8psi and its just a 2000 S281, no 351 in there peeps those are expensive and do the the mods ... ooohh ...

thinkin about it, it was a good race and the itr does have lots of advantage - weight management, not so heavy wheels, and all that good engine work ...

peace
SUP to the Neighbors SVP, your cars are fast - good job
see yeall out there sometime

Metropolis 2001 3Com Park! PLUR

[Poisoned Pony]

Originally posted by LT WHAT?
the S351 runs MUCH faster 1/4 mile times.

Strictly 5.0's '95 S351 ran 12.13@117 stock on on M/T Streets. Wanna know the funny part of this run? It did it on 7 cylinders. #7 piston was cracked. The numbers that Solo quoted are Motor Trend's numbers who A) don't know how to drive the car to it's fullest potential and B) where stupid enough to run the S351 on it's stock 18" rubber. If you look at the trap speeds from that article, the S351 was running 117-120mph trap speeds. The trap speed was there for a low 12, high 11 second pass, but teh traction wasn't. How much do you wanna bet that there 60 foot times were in the 2.40-2.60 range?

[Solo]

the cars were ran in stock trim. why don't we just put slicks on all cars we test?

if traction is a problem then they should throw bigger
rim/tire combos on the car no excuses. and those numbers
weren't even from the motortrend issue they are actual
saleen claims. but i did read that article though.

also I think motortrend's drivers are pretty good definetely
better than the average guy but it's not like they hire
straight up pro's from the NHRA. and no one can really drive
a car to it's full potential unless they drive it regularly.

those are very high trap speeds though i admit that.
MT claimed it was just the big block muscle kickin in then
again I'm sure it's not very hard to lose traction with
a SC S-281 =)


[Edited by Solo on 05-14-2001 at 10:52 PM]

[Poisoned Pony]

Originally posted by Solo
unless modd'd no mustang 94-98 including cobra's even break into 13s.

My '96 Cobra bone stock down to the Fram air filter, silencer and balding Michelins run 13.99, 13.85 and 13.72 stock with 2.11, 2.04 and 1.92 60 foot times respectfully. All the MPH traps were in the 102-103mph range. All were done at Sacramento Raceway in the dead heat of August and September. I've seen bone stock 99 and 2000 GT's run in the 13's as well, plus a few drivers have gotten bone stock '96-'98 Cobras to go low to mid 13's. All of course driver depending.

[Solo]

to end the saleen arguement lets just say anyone who drives
a saleen is a freakin baller and all mustangs are the shit and thats why we be representin em every time we take it out the garage and get so ticket off when people knock saleen's or give false info about em. It's like biatch don't talk about my ride if you don't even know ya feel me?

[NemesisKwky]

B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H!B I T C H! Damn shut up with will this or that or he didn't have this or you had this and he didn't! HE lost damn plain and simple! If your going to come out and race do it rigth and be ready so that there are no excuses except for your driving, none if this oh he had slicks and he didn't oh he got a cold air I dont whatever just come out ready to race if that is what you are comming out for.......

[John]

Originally posted by UzualSuspectSI
thats my dad...

haha i barely heard about it this morning at school.. haha i was like what ... but yea my dad is not boostin 8psi and its just a 2000 S281, no 351 in there peeps those are expensive and do the the mods ... ooohh ...


Metropolis 2001 3Com Park! PLUR

there u go .. it was a 251 from the owners son himself ..... said he is not boostin 8 psi

[SVPchic]

i know that might be his son, but after they raced he was chillin with us at the gas stattion and dave asked how much you boostin, and he said 8psi. his son "ninyo" might not know what he's talkin about.well i dunno... but if he just found out this morning from his friends at school, that must mean his dad don't talk much too his son about racing. right? oh well...
the 11 second daily driven is a dark green fully bulit GSR, and yeah that's Nirmal. ( he's 1 fast indian, and i'm not indian! LOL..j/p) the car i was talkin about was a baby blue LS, and that's my brother's car. Our website will be up soon so you can check it out!

[Mr Rogers]

i just checked on saleen.com, and the s351 is pushing 495 horses and is boasting a supercharged 351. it is a very fats car and also sold out. i wanna see someone bring out a Saleen SR, bad ass car.

[John]

alright alright my bad

[Evolkill]

I Say They should Run Agian!!!!!!!!!

[DnRprojectSvP]

the supercharged Saleen is boostin 8 lbs. on a Vortec kit and putting 390 hp to the rr wheels...the owner of the saleen and i were talking a bit b4 the run and he told me it was dynoed, he also timed the car in street trim and hittin low 13s....that shit is fuckin qwik... & so is Gils car.... hahhahahahaahhahah
=oP

[LT WHAT?]

Originally posted by DnRprojectSvP
the supercharged Saleen is boostin 8 lbs. on a Vortec kit and putting 390 hp to the rr wheels

*sigh* he lied about either the 8 pounds or the 390 to the wheels. i think even Vortec would shit themselves if those figures were proven.

[UzualSuspectSI]

Originally posted by SVPchic
i know that might be his son, but after they raced he was chillin with us at the gas station and dave asked how much you boostin, and he said 8psi. his son "ninyo" might not know what he's talkin about.well i dunno... but if he just found out this morning from his friends at school, that must mean his dad don't talk much too his son about racing. right? oh well...

Judy... yup thats right i dont talk to him much cuz im never home but last time i checked it was less than that so u know adjustments here and there i dont keep up with my dad cuz i am rarely home so yea feel me? dont hate cuz im never home to talk to him ... =)

[fastass67]

A stock s351 Saleen makes 555 hp at the flywheel. That is crazy horsepower. But props to SVP and the Saleen on the wins.Good shit!

[Solo]

Originally posted by fastass67
A stock s351 Saleen makes 555 hp at the flywheel. That is crazy horsepower. But props to SVP and the Saleen on the wins.Good shit!

can i be the first to say

no it doesn't

see this is what i was talkin about in my post about people
jumpin in with "inaccurate" information...

maybe it was a typo i dunno 495 does have a 5 in it maybe
he pressed it 3 times on accident and said close enough

hehhh just playin it does make a shitload of hp tho cant argue with that

[blkls94svp]

nit picking about the finer points of each others posts. i thought i might ad this lil'overlooked item in the opening debate of the saleen VS SVP thread....

i mean 12.5 are fast but come on people! a STOCK LS-1 SS will run 12.7's on NOS...

i dont think i could consider anything that is bottle fed STOCK.. this may just be one of my lil'personal hang-ups though..i dunno seems like that is a major modification to me?
just my 2 cents ,,not a flame

[mr9o]

Integras are nice, must have been pretty tricked out to beat a saleen, probably didnt pay as much too:)

[WiCkEd SS]

Someone I know in A white WS6 beat both of those cars,yellow type-r and black turboed hatch,stock all motor with 200 miles on it,Those 2001 Supercharged Saleens are not that fast I beat one with just A k&n and cat back.:p And the 2001 S-281 only has 370 HP,thats what ford rates them at the motor not at the wheels,he would of killed that type-r with 390 at the wheels

[WiCkEd SS]

My 2001 SS would run 12's with just A K&N and exhaust and some good tires,,,now with NOS more like low 12's or even 11's with good traction!!!12.7 with nos LOL

[Chuck]

Run on the street.... Ive seen it on the track. But thats not the same as the street. I dont make it up to the race spots, its getting hot from what I hear. Maybe SVP and Elusive can get together some day for some friendly runs.
Oscar@TeamElusive

[SVPchic]

yeah i admit that the blk hatch and the type-r lost to the ws6, even though the cars were kinda fuked up. but No excuses right! well, there will be a rematch soon. for fun!
and to team elusive... e-mail me and we can set it up!

[Chuck]

Ill see when the rest of the gus want to get together and I will let you know. Hey SVP chick what is your fastest street car right now, and what are the approx. times?:D Peace Out
Oscar@TeamElusive

[SVP12SeCSoHc]

Originally posted by WiCkEd SS
Someone I know in A white WS6 beat both of those cars,yellow type-r and black turboed hatch,stock all motor with 200 miles on it,Those 2001 Supercharged Saleens are not that fast I beat one with just A k&n and cat back.:p And the 2001 S-281 only has 370 HP,thats what ford rates them at the motor not at the wheels,he would of killed that type-r with 390 at the wheels

u keep bringin up the incident bout ur homie in a "stock white WS6" beatin our cars...i dunno if u heard befo the race...i stated my car isnt running rite...n that i had a cracked wastegate(leaks boost)...our type R wasnt runnin rite either...but we'll see a REMATCH fosho

[LT WHAT?]

speaking of not running right...TOM3 ever get his rematch?
and while were on the subject, did any of your cars eve run Cuda or Vettekiller?

[LT WHAT?]

ic...thats too bad....i woulda liked to see a true V8 streetracer run the ITR.....yea......

[DONT TRIP]

ill smoke the type r it would be no contest

[blkls94svp]

the itr is slow and the real v-8s will beat us,, but since no REAL V-8's come out to the runs we are stuck beating the wanna be's that come out ..later...oh yah ..not a flame..and dont trip, where you from i dont ever recall seeing a turbo stang at the runs

[blkls94svp]

none of my last post was aimed at you ...it was for the side busters who like to interject there b.s.

[LT WHAT?]

honestly...i respect the ITR. and it's not your fault where you run it's only wanna be stock V8's. the ITR is quick for an import, it just bothers me when it's alled the "V8 killer."

[WiCkEd SS]

I was goin to race the yellow itr one night but the cops came,Lets set something up with just some people I know and SVP.But at A coo spot I'm tried of getting tickets.